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  1. #11

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Quote Originally Posted by Father of Six View Post
    Global or local, Noah didn't have children of three different races by one wife.
    Absolutely not. All of Noah's children were 100% Adamic. I'm fully opposed to the mainstream teaching that all of today's races stem from Adam or Noah. That's a ridiculous conclusion and would require Darwin's theory of evolution which I wholly reject.

    Genesis 6:19, "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

  2. #12
    Pastor Bill
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    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Noah's flood was God's judgement upon the Adamic race for turning from him and was therefore limited to the Middle East and part of Western Asia.
    Last edited by Pastor Bill; 06-21-2010 at 02:22 PM.

  3. #13
    Obadiah 1:18
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    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pastor Bill View Post
    Noah's flood was God's judgement upon the Adamic race for turning from him and was therefore limited to the Middle East and part of Western Asia.
    That's a very good point.

  4. #14

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Few doctrines in Scripture are as clearly taught as the global nature of the Great Flood in Noah's day. Genesis clearly teaches that "the waters . . . increased greatly . . . and the mountains were covered" (Genesis 7:18-20).
    Through the centuries, few Christians questioned this doctrine. The Bible said it, and that was enough—until the late 1700s that is. For the first time the globe was being explored—the extremely lofty Himalayan Mountains were surveyed, capped by Mt. Everest at 29,035 feet in elevation. Did the waters cover them? Is there enough water on the planet to do so? The questions seemed so far-fetched that many European churchmen dismissed the idea that the Flood was global, adopting the local flood concept which still dominates Christian colleges and seminaries today. Like dominos, other doctrines soon began to fall—the young age for the earth, the special creation of plants and animals, and the inerrancy of Scripture.
    We now know, of course, that the earth has plenty of water to launch a global flood. It has been calculated that if the earth's surface were completely flat, with no high mountains and no deep ocean basins, that water would cover the earth to a depth of about 8,000 feet. But is there enough water to cover a 29,035 foot mountain?
    The key is to remember that the Flood didn't have to cover the present Earth, but it did have to cover the pre-Flood Earth, and the Bible teaches that the Flood fully restructured the earth. "The world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" (II Peter 3:6). It is gone forever. The earth of today was radically altered by that global event.
    That Flood accomplished abundant geologic work. Eroding sediments here, redepositing them there, pushing up continents, elevating plateaus, denuding terrains, etc., so that the earth today is quite different from before. Today even mountain ranges rise high above the sea.
    Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day.
    At the end of the Flood, after thick sequences of sediments had accumulated, the Indian subcontinent evidently collided with Asia, crumpling the sediments into mountains. Today they stand as giants—folded and fractured layers of ocean-bottom sediments at high elevations. No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them!
    Thus we find the Biblical account not only possible, but also supported by the evidence. A pre-Flood world with lessened topographic extremes could have been covered by the Great Flood. That Flood caused today's high mountains and deep oceans making such a flood impossible to repeat. This is just as God promised, back in Genesis.

    http://www.icr.org/article/520/

    Food for thought.

  5. #15

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah’s time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of ‘billions of years’ of Earth history.

    But look at the problems this concept involves:
    1) If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.

    2) If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.


    3) If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1

    4) If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.

    5) If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 meters) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn’t rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2

    6) If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God’s judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of ‘all’ men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah’s day means a partial judgment to come.

    7) If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...1/i3/flood.asp

    More food for thought.

    A cubit is about 17 to 20 inches long. 15 cubits is about about 20 to 25 feet. How could water be 20 feet above a mountain unless it completely surrounded the mountain?

    Genesis 7:20, "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

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    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Very interesting, SaxonJackson.

    How does this explain the seed of Cain remaining in the earth after the flood? Is the "seed of Cain" simply the title used for the seed of fallen angels mixing with men, before and after the flood? We know there was mixing after the flood, too, according to Genesis 6:4

    There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    What about the other races? Did Noah take two of every kind on the ark?

  7. #17

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Genesis 7:19-20)

    What about the possibility that these "high hills" and "mountains" are figurative language for authorities and governments in the area/land/erets of the flood? The bible often refers to hills and mountains as leadership.

    The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. (Psalm 72:3)

    Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel. (Jeremiah 3:23)

    Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen. (Ezekiel 36:6)

    After all, DSCI believes that "trees" in the bible are also used figuratively for people.

  8. #18

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    The Kenites (sons of Cain) did remain on the earth. Genesis 6:19, "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." I believe the answer lies in Matthew chapter 13:38-43. In that parable the tares were meant to exist in the midst of the wheat. I believe that they are allowed to exist as part of man's curse for sinning in the Garden of Eden. Just as Job's faith was tested by Satan so, too, is the faith of all Christians tested by Satan and his children (the tares).

    As for the other races I do believe that two of every race was taken aboard the ark just as two hyenas or two poisonous snakes were taken. Man (Adam man) was to take dominion over the entire earth. We were to control the other races ... not mix with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by DunaMiss View Post
    Very interesting, SaxonJackson.

    How does this explain the seed of Cain remaining in the earth after the flood? Is the "seed of Cain" simply the title used for the seed of fallen angels mixing with men, before and after the flood? We know there was mixing after the flood, too, according to Genesis 6:4

    There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    What about the other races? Did Noah take two of every kind on the ark?

  9. #19

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    I suppose that's possible. Let's see how that would look in Scripture:

    "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the (local magistrates), that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and (regional leaders) were covered." (Genesis 7:19-20)

    I guess that would work. There's no doubt that all the leadership of that time was covered by water but I wonder why they were covered with 15 cubits of water. I wonder why the leaders who were near the edge of the flood waters didn't climb up on higher ground.

    There's no doubt that figurative language is used throughout the Bible but not all of the language of the Bible is figurative.



    Quote Originally Posted by DunaMiss View Post
    And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Genesis 7:19-20)

    What about the possibility that these "high hills" and "mountains" are figurative language for authorities and governments in the area/land/erets of the flood? The bible often refers to hills and mountains as leadership.

    The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. (Psalm 72:3)

    Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel. (Jeremiah 3:23)

    Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen. (Ezekiel 36:6)

    After all, DSCI believes that "trees" in the bible are also used figuratively for people.

  10. #20

    Re: The Flood Of Noah ... Global or Local?

    Genesis 9:11-17 (King James Version)

    11And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
    12And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
    13I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
    14And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
    15And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
    16And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
    17And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.


    If the flood of Noah did not "cut off all flesh" but, rather, only some of the flesh of the earth then the above covenant (promise) is made of none effect by all subsequent floods that occurred throughout history after Noah's flood to current times.

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