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    Man buys gun to stop alien invasion

    Man buys gun to stop alien invasion

    July 5 Yahoo

    Police say a man in the US has bought a high-powered rifle to stop an alien invasion.

    Dane Eisenman from Fairfield, Connecticut responded to a classified advertisement for a .30-06 rifle last month.

    Police Sergeant James Perez said Eisenman mentioned to the seller what he would be using the weapon for.
    "He said he was going to use the weapon to kill aliens," Perez said.

    "This wasn't a Star Wars light saber he purchased.

    "It was an extremely dangerous high-powered weapon."

    The Connecticut Post reports the seller of the gun told police Eisenman was not clear about whether it would be used to kill space aliens or illegal aliens.

    Eisenman, 57, told the seller every 30,000 years aliens who live under the sun come to Earth to kill humans.

    After the sale of the rifle, the man reported Eisenman to police.

    A convicted felon, Eisenman is prohibited from buying or owning a gun.
    He will face charges of criminal possession of a firearm on July 9.

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    Re: Man buys gun to stop alien invasion

    Stories like this give anti-gunners more "ammunition" and make gun owners look bad. Now there are certainly circumstances where stopping an "alien" invasion wouldn't hurt my feelings in the least.

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    Re: The Bible and immigration

    The Bible and immigration;

    Here's something I posted on the old boards a while back. Basically a pro-immigration Catholick cited Exodus 22:21 ("Thou shalt not molest a stranger, nor afflict him: for yourselves also were strangers in the land of Egypt.") and asked what relevance it has in the modern age.

    Here was my response to his challenge, hopefully it can help serve as an example for fellow Christian Identists on how to deal with this issue:

    How do we apply this passage to our times?
    Interesting question and I know where you're trying to go with this. However upon close examination, it doesn't hold up really. Sorry.

    In fact the whole context of the passages require a lot of explaination, which takes in numerous angles. Which makes it more complicated to fully debate the issue.

    Alright, here goes nothing. The Saxon Israelites at this time were largely a nomadic people. Nomadic peoples are by nature very hospitible to strangers. This serves a practical purpose in any ways, since nomads often live on terrain that is often treacherous for long-distance travellers. This is especially true with the desert. So being hostbitality in many ways can be a matter of life and death.

    As with nomadic societies, or even really traditional societies in general, theirs was a society governed by what Ferdinand Tonnies termed the principle of Gemeinschaft - ie small communities built around common culture and kinship. This principle is a key component of Catholic Social Doctrine, although it goes under the term Subsidiarity.

    Although at first sight this might not seem important but it is. Catholic doctrine is an organic whole, almost every element is somehow tied to the other components. Catholic Social Doctrine is no different. Subsidiarity is the basic building block of Catholic Social Doctrine; without it you can't understand much of the rest of it.

    Subsidiarity pretty much determines a general preference for the small-"human" scale operation of society. This applies to welcoming the stranger. Within such social contexts, travelling and migration is also conducted on largely small scales. What this does in turn makes "welcoming the stranger" much more manageable for the community doing the welcoming.

    Of course within this context as well, the stranger being welcomed has a social requirement to repay the hospitality. After all, he is there as a guest through the consent of the community he's taking refuge in. Abusing that hospitality within such social contexts is a very grave offense, one which is not easily (if ever) forgiven.

    This is what especially happened for example with the infamous Massacre of Glencoe of 1692, occuring in the context of English soldiers violating the traditional custom of hospitality among the Scottish clans. As the link explains: "Under Scots law there was a special category of murder known as "murder under trust" which was considered to be even more heinous than ordinary murder. The Glencoe massacre was a clear example of such...".

    Using that terminology, we can say that crimes committed "under trust" are very grave within Gemeinschaft societies.

    Ok what does this have to do with immigration and such? Well everything really. Because modern societies are not governed by Gemeinschaft, but rather by Gesellschaft. Wheras the former is based upon small-scale communities based around a common interest; the latter is quite the opposite - it's based upon large-scale communities formed by largely unrelated individuals who come together now and then for self-interest purposes.

    Leopold Kohr goes into more details in the Breakdown of Nations about the different mentalities of small-scale societies and large-scale ones. Various concepts take on contrasting meanings in either case.

    "Welcoming the stranger" in a Gemeinschaft context is significantly different than in a Gesellschaft one. In the former case, the "stranger" is an actual person you are taking care of. But in order for that to happen, it must be small-scale and thus limited to a significant degree.

    In the latter case, the "stranger" becomes less a person and more an abstract entity representing a general principle. In such a context, there is no significant limit - which ironically makes the concept rather meaningless.

    Jean-Jacques Rosseau remarked rather well on this in his Discourse on the Political Economy:

    It appears that the feeling of humanity evaporates and grows feeble in embracing all mankind, and that we cannot be affected by the calamities of Tartary or Japan, in the same manner as we are by those of European nations. It is necessary in some degree to confine and limit our interest and compassion in order to make it active. Now, as this sentiment can be useful only to those with whom we have to live, it is proper that our humanity should confine itself to our fellow-citizens, and should receive a new force because we are in the habit of seeing them, and by reason of the common interest which unites them."
    So much of the contemporary mentality concerning immigration is largely based upon Gesellschaft logic which is quite contrary to that of Gemeinschaft, upon which Catholic Social Doctrine is itself actually built upon.

    And that logic tends to favor small-scale manageable levels of immigration that are determined by the consent and will of the communities concerned in the manner. If such a community feels that such immigrants will be detrimental to the common good of their community, then they have the right to restrict that privledge. And the immigrants need to respect the right of the community to do so.

    Just like an individual has every right to restrict whose allowed into their own home. Hospitality into that hourse cannot be forced, and it certainly is not served if a stranger randomly decides to break in the person's back door to sleep on their couch. That's a grave violation on their part. The house-owner has to look out for the well-being of his family first and foremost.

    And Catholic Social Doctrine upholds the family as the basic building block of society. A community and society is largely an outgrowth of the family. Therefore the basic logic that governs the family also governs society.

    That is certainly the attitude taken by Catholic doctrine on the issue of immigration. This is best explaind by what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say on the issue:

    "The legal control of migration began when it ceased to be collective and began to be individual...The justification of public interference is to be found in the right of a nation to control the variations of its own population. The highest necessity is that arising from war: on this ground nations almost universally regulate very closely the movements of population, forbidding emigration, that they may not lose their soldiers, and guarding immigration as a military precaution. Restrictive measures are also justified on grounds of health and morals, and on the general ground that a national family has a right to say who shall join it."

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    ARIZONA FBI STATS ... WHY THEY NEED THE NEW LAW

    With all the negative reports being printed in the news media here are the statistics they fail to report. The numbers don't lie. And these are the official numbers that are usually kept under what they really are. Please pass this along.

    Well folks, here are the numbers! The following information IS compiled from Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security reports:

    * 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

    * 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

    * 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles , Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

    * 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals

    * 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals

    * 48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals

    * 29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and Federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

    * 53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

    * 50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens

    * 71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".

    * 47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

    * 63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

    * 66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

    * 380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the US to illegal alien parents in just one year, making 380,000 babies automatically US citizens (which is UN-Constitutional; illegal).

    * 97.2% of all costs incurred from those illegal births were paid by the American taxpayers. That is almost ALL of them !
    And remember YOU are supporting ALL of these illegals no matter where they are now. Every time another illegal runs the border breaking our laws, your pocket just gets lighter and robbed more.

    "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Florida to Outdo Arizona's Stance on Illegal Immigrants

    From the "Guardian".

    Florida immigrant crackdown aims to outdo Arizona laws

    State attorney general Bill McCollum promises harshest anti-illegal immigration legislation yet.

    Florida's attorney general today promised to introduce laws emulating – and exceeding – the draconian clampdown on undocumented immigrants recently attempted by Arizona.

    The proposed legislation would put the sunshine state at the forefront of the anti-immigrant moves rapidly sweeping across the US.

    Architects of the plans boast they will be the harshest anti-illegal immigration laws yet, a claim that could have an incendiary effect in Florida given the state's high proportion of Latinos.

    Bill McCollum, Florida's attorney general, is the main proponent of the clampdown. He said the legislation would "provide new enforcement tools for protecting our citizens and will help our state fight the on-going problems created by illegal immigration. Florida will not be a sanctuary state for illegal aliens."

    Under the proposals, police would be required to investigate the immigration status of anyone they stopped whom they suspected of being illegally in the country. Any suspects lacking papers would be liable to up to 20 days in jail after which time they would be handed over to the immigration services for deportation.

    In an innovation that goes beyond anything tried in Arizona, the Florida law would allow local courts to impose longer prison sentences and tougher bail conditions on anyone committing a crime in the state who is found to be undocumented.

    Critics of the increasingly hostile mood of local politicians in states across America towards illegal immigrants accuse them of pandering to popular white prejudices towards Hispanics in order to garner electoral support.

    In Florida's case, McCollum is currently embroiled in a close electoral fight to gain the Republican party's nomination for governor of the state ahead of elections in November.

    His Republican rival for the candidacy, Rick Scott, accused McCollum of devising policy specifically for electoral gain. His spokesman told the Miami Herald: "It's clear the only way to get McCollum to take any action on anything is when he's down in the polls."

    McCollum and his supporters in Florida are highly mindful of the fact that Arizona's attempt to force the police to check on the immigration status of suspected undocumented workers has been blocked by the federal government in a legal dispute that is likely to go all the way to the supreme court.

    McCollum claims to have avoided a similar challenge from the Obama administration by being more specific about the circumstances under which officers are obliged to check immigration papers.

    In particular, McCollum said the proposed new rules would avoid any whiff of racial profiling against Hispanics — an accusation widely levelled at Arizona where the vast majority of undocumented residents are Mexican.

    Under the planned law, police would need to have a concrete reason for suspicion such as an altered driving licence or an admission from the suspect that they were in the country without permission.

    "It's not how you look, it's not what you say," McCollum said.

    Despite his insistence that his proposals would be less likely to provoke federal intervention, they are likely to face a challenge. The Obama administration is alarmed that immigration policy is spinning out of its control as individual states seek to make their own rules.

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    One Million Fewer Jobs, 13 Million More Immigrants

    One Million Fewer Jobs, 13 Million More Immigrants
    Center for Immigration Studies

    http://cis.org/highest-decade

    New Census Bureau data collected in March of this year show that 13.1 million immigrants (legal and illegal) arrived in the previous ten years, even though there was a net decline of one million jobs during the decade. In contrast, during the 1990s job growth was 21 million, and 12.1 million new immigrants arrived. Despite fundamentally different economic conditions, the level of immigration was similar for both ten-year periods .. .. In 2008 and 2009, 2.4 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) settled in the United States, even though 8.2 million jobs were lost over the same period.; The new data indicate that, without a change in U.S. immigration policy, the level of new immigration can remain high even in the face of massive job losses.

    Frank Garfield
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    Woman Saw Husband's Mug Shot on 'America's Most Wanted'

    Woman Saw Husband's Mug Shot on 'America's Most Wanted'

    He threatened to kill her if she told anyone.
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