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    Abraham got into a big mess when he took another to wife (Hagar). Jacob’s wives struggled with hatred, envy, and resentment. Was this Yahweh’s perfect will? Certainly not. His will for Abraham was accomplished through Sarah. His will for Jacob could have been accomplished through one healthy wife not burdened with envy, resentment, and bitterness. Yahweh didn’t call for polygamy to accomplish His will with Israel’s patriarchs, and He’s not sanctioning it today among Israel’s descendants either.
    But on that day I will set apart the land of Goshen, where My people are living...in order that you may know that I, the LORD, am in the midst of the land. I will make a clear distinction between your people and My people....

    The only place it did not hail was the land of Goshen, where the Israelites were. ...And there was thick darkness in all the land of Egypt for three days...but all the sons of Israel had light in their dwellings.

    Exodus 8:22-23, 9:26, 10:22-23

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    Quote Originally Posted by DunaMiss View Post
    Abraham got into a big mess when he took another to wife (Hagar). Jacob’s wives struggled with hatred, envy, and resentment. Was this Yahweh’s perfect will? Certainly not. His will for Abraham was accomplished through Sarah. His will for Jacob could have been accomplished through one healthy wife not burdened with envy, resentment, and bitterness. Yahweh didn’t call for polygamy to accomplish His will with Israel’s patriarchs, and He’s not sanctioning it today among Israel’s descendants either.
    Genesis 16:3:And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. - KJV
    Sarai gave Hagar to Abraham to be a wife - he didn't take her,she was given.

    Genesis 29:30 - 31:30And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.

    31And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren
    . - KJV

    Jacob worked for Rachel,not Leah.But Laban gave Leah to him first,when Jacob's orginial intention for a wife was Rachel.
    Jacob's sons and daughter(Dinah) all came from 4 women Leah,Rachel,Bilhah and Zilpah.
    Genesis 30:9:When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife. - KJV
    Zilpah was given by Leah to Jacob as a wife.
    Genesis 30:4:And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her. - KJV
    Bilhah was given to Jacob.

    But Joseph and Benjamin,Joseph one of the dearest to Jacob who went into Egypt and Benjamin one of the youngest and most important both came from Rachel who he originally worked for.(Gen 35:24,Gen 42:4)

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    Women were a lot different back then and placed great importance on being a wife or mother over "self."

    If Solomon had 1000 women in today’s sick society, he’d also have a billion dollars in child support, DFACs riding his ass and Satan's entire world telling his wives they owe it to themselves to explore their "artistic side" by not obeying the king.

    God forbid they lose their "identity" when they should really identify with their husband(s).

    One wife requires full time attention, in addition to any children. Who could truly handle more?

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    Judgment Day Perspectives Newsletter [December 1, 2010]

    Revelation 14:4

    "Behind every act of treason lurks a Jew."

    Yahweh, in the Name of Your Son, Yahshua, please open the eyes of all of your children and make them see that Zionism is the greatest evil of modern times. It is the political arm of the religion of the antichrist, the synagogue of Satan, Judaism. I pray that never again should anyone die in wars that make the Zionists rich and the Jews proud.

    "War is the Jews' harvest." - Prof. Werner Sombart.
    "A nation of sheep will beget a nation of wolves." - Edward R. Murrow
    "The pen is mightier than the shekel." - Pastor Eli James
    "If you see a rabbi, there's already been a crime." - William Finck


    www.anglo-saxonisrael.com

    There are many women, but there is only One Bride.

    "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. These were redeemend from among men, being the firstfruits unto God ad to the Lamb." - Rev. 14:4.

    Throughout Scripture, "women" are symbols for religious institutions. The "great whore" is Judeo-Christianity. Hence, a "virgin" is a "woman" who does not race-mix. Notice that the verse has "women" in the plural, meaning many false doctrines: the denominational churches, which have, as a whole, embraced the blasphemy of multiculturalism. In the Old Testament, there is a consistent theme: Our enemies use sex to entice Israel away from our True Religion, which is racial and cultural separation. Recall the episode Balaam and Balak: it was all about getting our people to engage in sex with non-Israelites. Everything in this modern world militates against Christian Separatism. Christian Separatism is the virgin.

    Also, the second sentence of the verse proves that this is the correct interpretation, since Yashua NEVER instructed us to be celibate. Hence, the meaning of the verse cannot be literal. But there IS a whore church that maintains a celibate priesthood, at least in principle. Unfortunately for the RCC, "celibacy" does not exclude homosexuality or pedophilia.

    Eli

    Item: "Woman" in parabolic usage (Just replace the word 'Jew' with 'Judahite' and you will have the correct understanding of this essay by Richard Ritenbaugh):

    Woman as Symbol of System of Beliefs (From Forerunner Commentary)

    Matthew 13:33

    The woman in the Parable of the Leaven is interesting because in all the other parables a man is the main character. What is "a woman" in Scripture?

    In Revelation 12, a woman is symbolic of the nation of Israel, and in Revelation 17 and 18 she represents the false system of Babylon. In Isaiah 47, a woman is again symbolic of Babylon (whether the nation or the system of Babylon). In Galations 4:21-31, Paul uses "women" to symbolize the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. In Ezekiel 16, God uses a woman to symbolize Israel: "Aholah" is the kingdom of Israel and "Aholibah" is the kingdom of Judah.

    What can we understand from this? Every time a woman is used as a symbol, the common denominator is the idea of a system of beliefs and practices that influence other people. A church or religion is a system of beliefs and practices. A nation has a character and way of doing things. This world as a whole has a system of beliefs and practices that go contrary to God. To find out what kind of system is being referred to, we must look at the context to see how the system works, how it reacts, and what it does.

    What are the characteristics of this woman in the parable? First, she took leaven. This is the common word used to mean "to come into possession of." It is a common Greek word, but it can also have the connotation of "to seize," "to take by force." The text does not say which connotation is correct here.
    The next verb is "hid" (Greek, enkrupto), an interesting word. It means "to hide in" or "to mix." Enkrupto is used only this way here. Enkrupto is the same word from which we get our word "encrypt." A general tells his lieutenant, "Encrypt this message and take it to the colonel at the front line." What does the lieutenant do when he encrypts it? He mixes up the letters according to a code, and only a person with the key to the encryption knows what the message is saying.
    The root word for enkrupto is krupto, which means "to cover, to conceal, to keep secret." Its major connotation is "to be sneaky" or "to be secret, covert, or surreptitious." It seems from the usage of these words that this woman is up to no good whatsoever. First, she takes something, then she hides it. She is a bad lady, a bad system.

    She hides the leaven "in three measures of meal." That Jesus uses the very phrase "three measures of meal" is quite interesting—and it is a key, because this told His Jewish audience something that He did not have to explain, as they were familiar with it. It was a normal practice and meant something to them.

    It has been suggested that He used this amount because it is the average quantity of meal a housewife would employ in her daily baking. This suggestion is pretty ridiculous when we consider that three measures of meal equal about two gallons of meal (7.3 liters)! That seems like a lot of bread each day.

    An average loaf of bread contains about three cups of flour. Two gallons of meal, which is the equivalent of about eight quarts or thirty-two cups, would make nearly eleven loaves! Even the most bread-gorging family on this earth would not eat eleven loaves each day. Normally, one loaf would suffice for one person for a day, if he ate nothing else. Jesus, then, is probably speaking of a special occasion.

    Genesis 18 contains the first biblical usage of "three measures of meal." This is the occasion when the One who became Jesus Christ and two angels came to Abraham, and he made them a meal. Jesus tells him in verse 5, "Go ahead and make a meal." "So Abraham hastened into the tent to Sarah and said, 'Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal'" (Genesis 18:6).

    What was "three measures of meal"? There is a principle of Bible study (the law of first mention) that says, "The first time a thing—a word, a phrase—is mentioned in the Bible influences how it should be interpreted throughout." Here, "three measures of meal" is used in the context of a fellowship meal—giving hospitality, in this case, to God—so it has a spiritual connotation.

    The law of grain offerings in Numbers 15:8-9 provides some instruction. We need to learn a little bit about Israelite dry measures. The smallest unit of measure is an omer. Three omers equal one about one seah. This seah is what is translated "measure" in Matthew 13:33, except it is in Greek saton. There is also the ephah, which is ten omers. Three seahs made up of about three omers equal one ephah. These verses show that the smallest meal offering that could be given was one seah, one-third of an ephah. It had to be of fine flour. Abraham gave three seahs, three measures. He went above and beyond what was required for the meal offering.

    Judges 6:18-19 shows Gideon's offering to the Lord. How much did he give? Gideon gave an ephah, three measures of meal. I Samuel 1:24 tells of Hannah's thank offering. How much? Hannah's offering was one ephah, three measures of meal. In Ezekiel 45:24 and 46:5, 7, 11 are the offerings given at the Feast during the Millennium. How much is given? An ephah, three measures of meal, is given.

    With these examples in mind, we can understand that Christ's use of this phrase would have made His Jewish audience think immediately of the meal offering in Leviticus 2, and they would have been absolutely shocked out of their shoes to find that someone had the audacity, the blasphemy, to put leaven in a meal offering! That was not kosher! It simply was not done! A person who did so could expect to be zapped by the next lightning bolt out of heaven. It was sin. What, then, would the normal Jew have thought? He would have understood immediately that the Kingdom of Heaven would be subverted. Something good had been corrupted.

    "Three measures of meal," the meal offering, represents the offerer's service and devotion to fellowman, and it is typified by what Christ did throughout His whole life by offering Himself in service to fellowman. Symbolically, it represents the second great commandment, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." It is devoted service toward others.

    If "three measures of meal" represents our love, service, and devotion to fellowman, this parable warns us that the false system will make a concerted and covert effort to corrupt the true church through false doctrine aimed at how we treat each other. It will lunge directly at the church's jugular—how we treat one another.

    The "three measures of meal" represents the church's teachings. This squares with our understanding of what Christ is. He is the Word, and one of His titles is "the Bread of life." The church's teachings come from the Word of God, which is our daily bread. Fine meal is the major component of bread. Satan would try to corrupt the word, the teaching, so that church members would not treat each other well, offend one another, and maybe some would lose their salvation.
    And the woman succeeds! Jesus says, ". . . till it was all leavened!" Sobering, is it not?

    The church has been fairly successful in guarding the major doctrines that have to do with its identity: the Sabbath, the nature of God, the identity of Israel, the holy days, God's plan. Where has the church shown its greatest weakness? In the area of personal relationships. What do we hear about among and within the congregations? Distrust, offense, marriage problems, disunity, selfishness, gossip, rumor, tale-bearing, judging and condemning, comparing ourselves among ourselves, giving place to wrath, etc. These are the works of the flesh—they reflect how we treat one another. All of these are part of the meal offering—our service and devotion to each other. In these areas we need to focus our greatest attention, overcoming how we treat each other, growing in our devotion and service. We must get along with one another as God intends, or we might not be around to enter His Kingdom.
    Richard T. Ritenbaugh

    Item: Symbolic Language in Prophecy

    http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter10/symbols.html

    Item: the Woman Clothed With the Sun

    http://hanginggardensofbabylon.org/w...leProphecy.asp

    Item: Gothic Conception of Woman and church

    http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d981127.htm

    Item: "Do not be defiled with women" means "Don't be defiled by a church that teaches blasphemy" In this article, just change "church" to "congregation" or "Israel" and it will be more accurate.

    http://www.eternalcog.org/ecgbooks/144key7.html

    Eli
    United Identity Church of Christ

    Now It's Your Choice! Will You take a Stand for God, Race, and Nation?

    http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/

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    THE DIVORCE DISCOURSE
    ( Luke 16:16-18 )
    By William Finck © 2007

    As recorded in the gospels, Yahshua Christ talked often about different aspects of the law, and the law of divorce was no exception. In Matt. 5:17-48, Yahshua is recorded as having delivered a general sermon on the law, of which divorce is a part and is mentioned at vv. 31-32. Later, in a conversation recorded at both Matt. 19:1-9 and Mark 10:1-12, Yahshua was specifically asked about divorce, and in this case the Old Testament law concerning divorce is referred to, found at Deut. 24:1-4. This law is not found in Leviticus, and surely was not – as Christ infers – added to the kingdom law in Deuteronomy because Yahweh approves of divorce: He certainly does not. Rather, it seems to have been added in order to confront an inevitable reality: disobedience and the hardness of men’s hearts, that unwanted wives may seek a redress if one is needed, and a means to remarry, being legally freed from their former obligations and so not in fear of being charged with adultery once found with another man. The intent here, however, is not to discuss common husband-wife divorce. The proper Christian perspective on that topic is found at 1 Cor. 7: 10-11, where Paul correctly follows Yahshua’s instruction on the matter. Yahshua Christ also mentions His teaching concerning divorce at Luke 16:18, yet the context of His conversation is quite different there and reveals that in this instance, neither was He speaking about common husband-wife divorce.

    From the A.V., Luke 16:16-18 reads thusly: “16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of Yahweh is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.” In order to better understand Yahshua’s statement as recorded at Luke 16:16, let us look at a similar statement which He made, at another time in a different conversation, recorded at Matt. 11:12: “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.”

    The people of Judaea, those who were Israelites, had been expecting the coming Messiah, as they understood the 70 weeks of Daniel’s prophecy (Dan. 9:24 ff.), evident in the gospels at John 1:41, 4:25 and elsewhere. Yet some decades before Christ’s birth, Herod the Edomite became king of Judaea through murder and bribery, and the Edomites – converted to Judaism circa 130 B.C., along with other Canaanites – gained prominence throughout the Judaean government and the temple priesthood, a story fully evident in the pages of the historians Josephus and Eusebius and elsewhere, and also evident in John chapter 8, Romans 9, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 and elsewhere in the New Testament. Later, Herod the Edomite king attempted to slay the Christ child, as related in Matthew chapter 2. The Canaanite-Edomite jews, denying the prophets and the word of Yahweh concerning His Christ, are those who would take the kingdom by force (Matt. 11:12), rejecting the rightful ruler (Luke 19:11-27) and slaying the true heir (Luke 20:9-18) in a vain attempt to maintain the kingdom and position they’ve so unrighteously gained (John 11:47 ff.). Here it shall hopefully become evident, that talking about those violent ones who would take the kingdom by force, or those who “presseth into” the kingdom, and then assuring us that the law shall not fail while recalling His teaching concerning divorce, Yahshua Christ was not babbling random statements, fleetingly changing the topic. These statements are indeed all intimately connected.

    Yahweh was, and always shall be, married as a husband to the nation – the people – of true Israel. This marriage was initiated at Mount Sinai as recorded at Exodus chapter 19. Here is perhaps the earliest recorded pre-nuptial agreement. That Israel as a nation was and shall remain married to Yahweh their God can be fully demonstrated by a review of some of the prophecies which discuss this very thing.

    Hosea finished writing his prophecies several decades before the deportations of the Israelites began, while Jeroboam the son of Joash was king in Israel (2 Kings 14; Hosea 1:1). The events of Hosea’s life as recorded in the first three chapters of his prophecy are representative of Yahweh’s experience with Israel during this period. Israel, an unfaithful wife, would be put away but later forgiven. Once forgiven, Israel would be married to Yahweh forever, for which see Hosea 1: 10-11 and 2:14-23, especially noting v. 19. Hosea 1:10 is quoted by Paul at Romans 9:25-26, and paraphrased by Peter at 1 Pet. 2:9-10, where Peter also alludes to Exod. 19:5-6, connecting Yahweh’s relationship with Israel back to that first ceremony at Mount Sinai. At Hosea 2:19 Yahweh speaks to Israel concerning the future restoration of the nation: “And I will betroth thee unto me for ever ...”, and at 2:20: “I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know Yahweh.” So at this very early time we see Yahweh announce His plans to stay forever married to Israel, despite the nation’s unfaithfulness. This theme continues throughout Hosea’s prophecy.

    The prophet Joel, writing before the deportations of Israel and so at least as early as Hosea, also portrayed Israel as the bride of Yahweh, and Yahweh as the bridegroom, at Joel 2:16-17: “16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of Yahweh, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Yahweh, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?” At Joel 2:26-32 and 3:1-21 the permanency of Yahweh’s relationship with Israel in contrast to the other peoples of the region is illustrated (although it must be noted that Tyre and Sidon were inhabited mostly by Israelites, and “Grecians” at Joel 3:6 is Strong’s #3125, Yevaniy, the descendants of that Javan of Gen. 10:2, who are the Ionian Greeks. Other Greek tribes, namely the Danaans and Dorians, were themselves Israelites). Joel was quoted at length by Peter at Acts 2:17-21, from Joel 2:28-32.

    Isaiah wrote his prophecies during the period of the Assyrian invasions and deportations of Israel and most of Judah, which began circa 721 and ended circa 676 B.C. (2 Kings 15-19; 2 Chron. 26-32; Isa. 1:1). Yet even though nearly all of Israel has been carried off by the Assyrians, and Isaiah witnessed it, his prophecies fully assure us that Yahweh shall be married to Israel forever. See Isa. 49:18; 50:1-2; 54:1-17; 55:1-5; 61:1-11 and 62:1-12.

    At Isa. 50:1 we find: “Thus saith Yahweh, Where is the bill of your mother’s divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.” Yet later Israel is reassured: “For thy Maker is thine husband; Yahweh of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For Yahweh hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee” (Isa. 54:5-7), and “I will greatly rejoice in Yahweh, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels” (Isa. 61:10). Isaiah chapter 62 then celebrates Yahweh’s renewed marriage to Israel, where we find in part: “For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee ... And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of Yahweh: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken” (Isa. 62:5, 12). In the very next chapter, from Isa. 63:1, Isaiah prophecies concerning the day of vengeance, and the Edomite jew is revealed to be the focus of the wrath of Yahweh.

    When Jeremiah wrote his prophecies, beginning in the days of Josiah King of Judah (2 Kings 22; 2 Chron. 34; Jer. 1:1), all of Israel, except those few left behind in the countryside, and most of Judah had already been taken away by the Assyrians, and only the inhabitants of Jerusalem remained (2 Chron. 32). Yet Jeremiah still addresses Israel, and distinguishes Judah – those of Judah who remained, since Israel with most of Judah were taken away by the Assyrians – and Jeremiah assures us that Israel shall continue in marriage to Yahweh, even though the nation was cast out in punishment, for which see Jer. 2:32 and 3:1-25. Speaking about the transgressions of Israel, Jer. 2:32 states: “Can a maid [virgin] forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.” At Jer. 3:20 Israel is portrayed as a treacherous wife departing from Yahweh her husband: “Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith Yahweh.” Yet much later in Jeremiah, at 31:31 ff., we are assured that the New Covenant would be made ONLY with those same houses of Israel and Judah. The New Covenant, being a matter of prophecy, can ONLY be intended for those people for whom it was prophesied!

    So there is a clear and broad thread throughout the Old Testament prophets which informs us that Israel, the nation, which is the body of the people themselves no matter where they are, is the bride of Yahweh. Israel, that same body of people who had been put off in punishment, will once again be restored as the bride of Yahweh once they are redeemed, and there are absolutely no promises of redemption in the prophets for any other people. Neither can there be since Yahweh had married only Israel! As the Prophet Amos said: “Hear this word that Yahweh hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities” (Amos 3:1-2). This is clear in all of the prophecies which have been discussed above, and no one from any other nation of people could make any just claim of inclusion in this relationship.

    On several occasions Yahshua Christ referred to His followers – all chosen Israelites except (and for good reason) the Canaanite Judas Iscariot – as the “children of the bridechamber”, for which see Matt. 9:15 and Mark 2:19, and for a separate occasion Luke 5:34. John’s gospel records the words of John the Baptist, which make quite a similar illustration: “He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled” (John 3:29). If Yahshua is the bridegroom, then according to the prophets as cited above He must be Yahweh in the flesh having come to redeem the cast-off Israelites – not the Edomites in Jerusalem. For that is what the prophets have set forth!

    Paul explains this very thing to the Corinthians, who were Dorian Greeks and descended from the ancient Israelites (cf. 1 Cor. 10:1-11), where he tells them: “... I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ” (2 Cor. 11:2), which is exactly what Paul did: find “lost” Israelites and bring the good message of redemption to them. Compare this statement by Paul to Isa. 62:5, quoted above. The Dorian Greeks were not Israelites of the Assyrian deportations, but rather had migrated out of Palestine by the 12th century B.C., when they took the Peloponnesus from the Danaan Greeks. The Danaans, also Israelites, had left the main body of Israel much sooner, being a part of the tribe of Dan who left before the Exodus, leaving from Egypt and settling in the Peloponnesus.

    When Paul wrote to the Romans, he was also writing to “lost” Israelites. Statements by Paul such as those at 1:18-32 and 4:1-25, along with others, fully demonstrate as much. The Romans, by all accounts having come from the Trojans, were of the Zerah branch of Judah, who also left Palestine at a very early time. At Romans chapter 7, Paul explains the relationship of Israel to Yahweh under the law: “1 Are you ignorant, brethren (I speak to those who know the law,) that the law lords over the man for as long a time as he should live? 2 For a woman married to a living husband is bound by law; but if the husband should die, she is discharged from the law of the husband: 3 so then as the husband is living, she would be labeled an adulteress if she were found with another man; but if the husband should die, she is free from the law, she is not an adulteress being found with another man. 4 Consequently, my brethren, you also are put to death in the law through the body of Christ; for you to be found with another, who from the dead was raised in order that we should bear fruit for Yahweh” (my own translation).

    Israel, being married to Yahweh, committed adultery in the worship of false gods, which also involved the following of alien customs, obedience to alien laws, and committing of other acts which violated Yahweh’s law – such as fornication. Under the law this made Israel, put out of the house of the husband (the Assyrians and Babylonian deportations), liable for death, since death was the penalty for adultery (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22).

    Yet Yahweh had promised not to make an end of Israel, but – contrary to His own law – to take Israel back. This creates a dilemma indeed, since under the law a husband cannot take back an adulterous wife (Deut. 24:4). The Israelites – all who left Palestine and most of those who were deported – had been worshipping pagan idols and false gods and living in sin for centuries. Therefore the only way in which Yahweh could satisfy the letter of the law was to die! For this reason was Yahweh manifested in the flesh, above all others: that He may die in order to satisfy the law – His own law which He authored – and thereby, once the law was fulfilled and Israel freed from it (Rom. 7:1-2 above), the resurrected Christ – Yahweh in the flesh – could then have Israel for a wife! Therefore at Rev. 19:6-10 we have the marriage of the Lamb (Yahshua Christ) to the wife, who is then shown at Rev. 21:9-12 to be none other than the twelve tribes of Israel inhabiting a new Jerusalem!

    Now the reason for Yahshua’s statement at Luke 16:16-18 may already be manifest. If Yahshua Christ, husband of the nation – the people – of Israel, accepts any non-Israelite or any bastard (a person of mixed race) into His Kingdom THEN HE COMMITS ADULTERY! For that reason He came ONLY to His Covenant People (“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” Matt. 15:24). All of the nations (not the misleading Latin term “gentiles”) to whom Paul brought the gospel were indeed the descendants of the ancient Israelites, and Paul certainly knew it. In Paul’s letter to the Galatians, he made it clear to them that the covenant could not be added to (3:15) and that it was made with only certain of Abraham’s descendants (3:16-17), but that they were indeed descended from Isaac and were children of the promise (4:1-30). The Galatians of Paul’s time were Kelts mixed with Greeks. The Kelts, along with the Scythians, were Israelites of the Assyrian deportations. Paul explained to the Ephesians that Yahweh had broken down the wall between them and Himself (Eph. 2:14). That wall was the laws concerning marriage, divorce and adultery which prevented Yahweh from communing with Israel until He affected their redemption. For this same reason Paul spoke to the Colossians about alienation and reconciliation: “21 And you at one time being alienated and odious in thought by wicked deeds, 22 yet now He has reconciled with the body of His flesh through that death, to present you holy and blameless and void of offense before Him” (Col. 1:21-22, my own translation). All of this is fully coherent with the statements of the prophets. For Daniel assures us that “... the kingdom shall not be left to other people ...” (Dan. 2:44), and Ezekiel tells us that “... I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. 30 Thus shall they know that I Yahweh their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith Yahweh God. 31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men [adam, Strong’s #120], and I am your God, saith Yahweh God” (Ezek. 34:29-31). Ezekiel also says: “My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I Yahweh do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore” (Ezek. 37:27-28). Surely Yahshua Christ shall not betroth Himself to non-Israelite, non-Adamic heathens. Now Ezekiel, a contemporary of Jeremiah, wrote long after most of Israel and Judah had been taken away by the Assyrians. He himself wrote from captivity in Babylon (cf. Ezek. 1:1-3), being one of the ten thousand first taken by the Babylonians (2 Kings 24; Ezek. 19).

    All of the prophets and the New Testament consistently show the universalists and dispensationalists to be nothing but liars. Once one understands the husband-wife relationship of Yahweh to ancient Israel – which God Himself went so far as to experience death in order to preserve – and the relationship of the risen Christ with the White Christian nations of today which had actually descended from those ancient Israelites, it is fully evident that Luke 16:16-18 stands as a warning to the universalists. By embracing the alien, non-Israelite peoples, the universalists are in essence accusing Yahshua Christ of adultery! Thou shalt not commit adultery (Exod. 20:14; Deut. 5:18)! The penalty for adultery under the law is death (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22). Yet when a witness is found to be testifying falsely, the false witness is made to suffer the penalty instead, as described in the law at Deut. 19:16-19. Where does that leave the universalists, who make such false statements? All those so-called Christian “pastors” and “evangelists” who go around proclaiming to non-Whites and those of mixed races that they may somehow be Christians, that “Jesus” loves them, and that they may have fellowship with Israel are falsely accusing Yahshua Christ of committing adultery! Hence the penalty for universalism is death, and universalists condemn themselves!

    Once one learns that the ancient Roman and Greek, and the Keltic and Saxon nations of Europe, along with the Scandinavians, Parthians, and other related people all descended from the ancient Israelites, one can see that the history of the spread of Christianity is fully consistent with the utterances of the prophets concerning Israel. Today it is manifest in this that the Kingdom of Yahweh is the White European nations: no other nations are suffering massive immigrations of aliens into their borders, in a situation where the common citizens of those nations have no choice or say in the matter! These are those who “presseth into” the Kingdom of Yahweh (Luke 16:16).

    The Edomite-jews have, for the most part, usurped control of all of the White nations of the west, which is readily evident today. The vast wealth which they have accumulated through their anti-Christian money-lending practices, along with every other foul profession in which they have been engaged for millennia, have enabled them to do that. Just as they usurped control of ancient Judaea, in these days today have the violent ones taken the Kingdom by force – in the wars of Europe in recent centuries, up to and including the Bolshevik revolution and both World Wars, and in the promotion of so many wicked and anti-Christian philosophies, deceiving the sheep. It is the bad-fig-jewish controlled governments, media outlets, and foundations which have orchestrated the flood of aliens into the White nations, while at the same time promoting “diversity” and “multi-culturalism”, all with the cooperation of both the “conservative” capitalist and the “liberal” communist factions in all of the major organized political parties of the so-called “democracies”. Scripture is being fulfilled before our very eyes, if only we would open them! Yet we White Europeans, true Biblical Israel, do have an assurance: Yahshua Christ our Redeemer shall not commit adultery! And so neither should we, by despicably embracing any alien foul beast who happens to have made his way into our lands

    http://christogenea.org/Luke161618

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    Re: Polygamy & Monogamy: The Debate Continues!

    Quote Originally Posted by Obadiah 1:18 View Post
    Pastor Dan, who hosts By Yahweh's Design, is pro-polygamy but admits that his forays into this practice have ended unhappily.

    God created Eve to be Adam's wife. If multiple wives had been His perfect will for Adam, then Eve would have brought some sisters along with her.
    Actually Adam would have lost a bunch more ribs if YHVH wanted him to have multiple wives. LOL

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    Wink Re: Polygamy & Monogamy: The Debate Continues!

    At one time or another we have all experienced the pain and joy of love. We have all searched endlessly for Mr. Right or Miss Right. Oftentimes when we first find someone to fit this role, we expect them to completely fulfill our every need.

    Dependency evolves and we are in love...high as a kite and ready to give anything to make it last. This is where many make their mistake. No matter how much you love someone, be it your parent, friends, or your lover, there is no one who can satisfy your every need.

    Only God can make you complete. And only by following His guidelines for life will you know the true joy of love. One of the most quoted and repeated chapters in the Bible is I Corinthians, chapter 13. It's about love.

    We all need love. But, love is not just a sexual experience. It is an all-encompassing emotion. And only through the solid foundation of Jesus Christ can love complete your every need. Read the verses from God's own Word and learn firsthand what love really is.

    Remember I John 4:16 says, "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us, God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." Therefore, if God is not in your relationship, it's not real love.

    If your relationship is not right with God or, in other words, in line with God's Word, it is not love. God is love. If He is not the center of your relationship, you are headed for trouble.

    John 15:9 - "As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love."

    I John 2:14-16 - "I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

    I Corinthians 13:4-8 - "Charity (love) suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away."

    I John 4:7 - "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God."

    I John 4:16 - "...God is love...."

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    God's standard for marriage - one man, one woman, one lifetime
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    Monogamy & the Bride of Christ

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    In Monogamy & the Bride of Christ we look at the issues of polygamy and monogamy from a Biblical perspective. Pastor Visser provides several examples of why a Christian shouldn't take more than one spouse while shedding more light on the likes of Lamech, Esau, David and Solomon. Naturally, we expand upon the topic of 'the bride of Christ' while doing so.

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    “Matthew 25:1:Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. – KJV”

    Yahshua came for “the lost sheep of the house of Israel: the divorced and so called “Lost Ten Tribes” - these “ten virgins!

    I.e. The repentant and wisevirgins” of the divorced house of Israel, by His death are legally able, and also ready, to re-marry Him in the future.

    The widowed house of Judah is also legally able to re-marry Him for those of them who are also ready for the new marriage covenant.

    In the interim both houses have already "become one stick in His hand" !

    And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.”

    Isn’t seven the symbol of perfection ? Aren’t these the saints through the last two thousand years that have taken on His name:Christ”, “Christians? ! ! ! Hasn’t their reproach been washed away in His blood ? ! ! !


    See:

    Marriage of the LambChapter 5
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/marr..._chapter_5.doc

    The Greatest Love Story Ever Told
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_..._ever_told.htm

    Family
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/family.htm

    Infidelity
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/infidelity.htm

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