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    Re: Revelation is a victory service of the Conquering Sovereign

    I agree BillyRoper. Racial destruction has been downplayed on purpose. The world has gotten more and more smaller and meaner for our racial kinsmen who care about being free from violence and harassment.
    I figure Yahweh may just be trying to push those he loves to away from multiculturalism. Those he does not love he just lets be spoiled and mean.

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    Is Christ's 1000 year reign literal or figurative? What are your thoughts and do you have any reading material on the subject?

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    Re: Revelation is a victory service of the Conquering Sovereign

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Is Christ's 1000 year reign literal or figurative? What are your thoughts and do you have any reading material on the subject?
    I believe the 1000 year reign of Christ is literal. Human nature in me will always be a obstacle to clear reason on the subject. With constant study of the books of Yahweh and repentance of Sin in my personal life ;;;;;better reason comes out for the glory of Yahweh.

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    Revelation 13:18.

    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    chi xi stigma

    G5516
    chi xi stigma
    khee xee stig'-ma
    The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

    600,60,6 is the Greek letter equivalent for chi xi stigma. But is 600,60,6(“666”) what we’re supposed to be looking at?

    There are many notable scriptures that have 600, or 60, or 6 in them such as 1Ki 10:14 etc etc...

    Since the obsolete letter, stigma, is between the fifth and sixth Greek letter, it would still make it the sixth letter. Here is what stigma means…

    G4742
    From a primary word stizo, (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

    So we have a ”MARK” associated with the number of the beast but we are supposed to gain wisdom by counting the number of the beast.

    Can we gain any understanding with the Greek word ’count’?

    G5585
    psēphizō
    psay-fid'-zo
    From G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, that is, (genitive case) to compute: - count.

    Use pebbles to enumerate the number? So why are we using the Greek letter equivalent of chi xi stigma. to enumerate it?

    The prime of 5585 gives us a little more info on the pebbles.

    G5586
    psēphos
    psay'-fos
    From the same as G5584; a pebble (as worn smooth by handling), that is, (by implication of use as a counter or ballot) a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission); a vote: - stone, voice.

    We can discard everything except the implication of counting and that the pebble is worn smooth by handling. Apparently the pebble didn’t start out smooth so it must have taken a long time to wear a pebble (small stone) smooth by handling.

    Here is Bullingers definition of G5585:

    psēphizō - to count or reckon with psēphos (G5586) (small pebbles worn round and smooth by water, ) To reckon, calculate, (just like Lat. Calcular) from calculus.

    The implication is to count the number of the beast with pebbles worn smooth by water or by handling. Either way we need to go back in time to figure out the number of the anthrōpos (“a man”) which is…

    G444anthrōpos
    anth'-ro-pos
    From G435 and ōps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.

    This doesn’t necessarily mean a mortal man. Anthropos is also used of angels in the New Testament.

    Why have scholars over the centuries added up the Greek letter equivalent for chi xi stigma ( 600 + 60 + 6 = 666 ) when we are told to count or reckon with psēphos (G5586) (small pebbles worn round and smooth by water. ) ?

    Enumerate the....

    22nd letter
    14th letter
    6th (Stigma)

    ...with pebbles worn smooth by water for understanding of the 'beast'

    =

    ?

    Rev. 13:18
    Dear Richard,

    Thanks for your note, to see how you are fighting the
    impossible battle, with others.

    Be of good courage. It was shown that by what you ARE doing
    is now seem to fall on dry and rocky grounds, when God's
    Very Elect arrive, our Father will "release" His true "EARNEST"
    of His "holy spirit" 2Cor.1:22, that they may "HEAR" the truth.

    Without the EARNEST of the spirit, others CAN NOT hear
    us. This is the lesson WE are learning now.

    We need to see and ACCEPT that we only have ONE of the
    SEVEN (7) angelic spirits of God's seven (7) churches angels
    Rev.2&3. This is NOT enough to help us, for God's "holy spirit"
    is much "HIGHER," and the TWO types of spirits are also
    SEPARATED with an Impassible "GULF" Lk.16:26.

    This is why the EARNEST of the "holy spirit" is needed, to
    BRIDGE to us the impassible GULF Lk.16:26, between God's
    Angelic spirits and His "holy spirit".

    This tells us that the "Holy Spirit," we received in our churches,
    is NOT our Creator's, and is a "weak" angelic spirit.

    This is part of the "revelations" given to us 2Pet.1:21 now, as
    it was Promised in Amos.3:7; Rev.5 because we have been
    "pre-ordained" to be "DECEIVED" Rev.12:9, that we may be
    "ALIENATED" from God Col.1:21, to be "RECONCILED" to
    God Col.1:20, WHEN we are "CALLED" by our Father Jn.6:44!

    Yes, a FEW Now Mat.7:14, and the MANY Mat.7:13 in the "Ages
    to come" Eph.2:7; 3:5; Col.1:16.

    This is why the MANY must accept the Anti-god's "easy way" of
    salvation Mat.7:13.

    We then need to ACCEPT our CALL by "counting the Cost"
    Lk.14:28, to "FIND" Mat.7:14 if we are WILLING to offer our
    REQUIRED Mat.3:8 "Sacrifices" Col.1:24; IPet.4:12, to be
    "Disciples of Jesus" Lk.14:26, and AFTER we fulfilled the
    three (3) basic requirements, ( Lk.14:33; Rev.18:4; Mat.6:10,33)
    we can be "baptized" Acts.2:38, by NOT in ANY of our
    fully "deceived" churches Mat.24:37,; Rev.12:9 but one of God's
    ELECTS Mat.24:22.

    However, God's "holy spirit" will NOT be available, as in Jesus'
    day UNTIL God's 1st Witness of His "TWo Witnesses" Rev.11:3
    "went away" "went away," (Died) as Jesus did, and as Christ
    went to heaven Jn.16:7, to SEND it to us.
    Now God's 1st Witness must DIE, to become God's "Very Elect"
    Mat.24:24, to receive Greater POWER than Satan has Lk.9:1;10:19.

    God's 1st Witness is NOT known, and has not yet DIED, so God's
    "Very Elect" has not yet come, that God's "ELECTS" Mat.24:22 may
    receive the "holy spirit."

    God's Elect will NOT give the "holy spirit" to ALL the people, but to
    "WITNESSES chosen by God Acts.10:41.

    These are NEW "revelations," given to us, Rev.5 that we may "find"
    the truth, and to realize our deep "pre-ordained" "DECEPTIONS"
    to KNOW that we are in Confusion and Deception, as it was
    "pre-ordained," and so was our SALVATION also 2Tim.1:9.

    This proves that Christianity, and its "Salvation??" is the Anti-god's,
    who has "NO truth in him" Jn.8:44, making him pure evil, ONLY
    EVIL, making him OPPOSITE to our Creator, and it WAS pre-
    ordained that he be the "God of this World" 2Cor.4:4 ruling ALL
    religions, including Christianity, and ALL governments.

    Our Creator IS the "WORD" Jn.1:1, who is now "Christ-Jesus"
    ITim.2:5, and "who IS the TRUTH" Jn.14:6.

    Seeing this we can comprehend, and ACCEPT our "confusion"
    Dan.9:7,8 and deep "deception" Rev.12:9, to prove to us that we
    ARE as the people were in NOAH'S day Mat.24:37, and we also
    need to REPENT, as Noah did.

    So hang in there, and experience LIFE, as we are intended to do.

    Please send this to your friends,

    All the best and Peace,
    Thom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom View Post
    Dear Richard,

    Thanks for your note, to see how you are fighting the
    impossible battle, with others.

    Be of good courage. It was shown that by what you ARE doing
    is now seem to fall on dry and rocky grounds, when God's
    Very Elect arrive, our Father will "release" His true "EARNEST"
    of His "holy spirit" 2Cor.1:22, that they may "HEAR" the truth.

    Without the EARNEST of the spirit, others CAN NOT hear
    us. This is the lesson WE are learning now.

    We need to see and ACCEPT that we only have ONE of the
    SEVEN (7) angelic spirits of God's seven (7) churches angels
    Rev.2&3. This is NOT enough to help us, for God's "holy spirit"
    is much "HIGHER," and the TWO types of spirits are also
    SEPARATED with an Impassible "GULF" Lk.16:26.

    This is why the EARNEST of the "holy spirit" is needed, to
    BRIDGE to us the impassible GULF Lk.16:26, between God's
    Angelic spirits and His "holy spirit".

    This tells us that the "Holy Spirit," we received in our churches,
    is NOT our Creator's, and is a "weak" angelic spirit.

    This is part of the "revelations" given to us 2Pet.1:21 now, as
    it was Promised in Amos.3:7; Rev.5 because we have been
    "pre-ordained" to be "DECEIVED" Rev.12:9, that we may be
    "ALIENATED" from God Col.1:21, to be "RECONCILED" to
    God Col.1:20, WHEN we are "CALLED" by our Father Jn.6:44!

    Yes, a FEW Now Mat.7:14, and the MANY Mat.7:13 in the "Ages
    to come" Eph.2:7; 3:5; Col.1:16.

    This is why the MANY must accept the Anti-god's "easy way" of
    salvation Mat.7:13.

    We then need to ACCEPT our CALL by "counting the Cost"
    Lk.14:28, to "FIND" Mat.7:14 if we are WILLING to offer our
    REQUIRED Mat.3:8 "Sacrifices" Col.1:24; IPet.4:12, to be
    "Disciples of Jesus" Lk.14:26, and AFTER we fulfilled the
    three (3) basic requirements, ( Lk.14:33; Rev.18:4; Mat.6:10,33)
    we can be "baptized" Acts.2:38, by NOT in ANY of our
    fully "deceived" churches Mat.24:37,; Rev.12:9 but one of God's
    ELECTS Mat.24:22.

    However, God's "holy spirit" will NOT be available, as in Jesus'
    day UNTIL God's 1st Witness of His "TWo Witnesses" Rev.11:3
    "went away" "went away," (Died) as Jesus did, and as Christ
    went to heaven Jn.16:7, to SEND it to us.
    Now God's 1st Witness must DIE, to become God's "Very Elect"
    Mat.24:24, to receive Greater POWER than Satan has Lk.9:1;10:19.

    God's 1st Witness is NOT known, and has not yet DIED, so God's
    "Very Elect" has not yet come, that God's "ELECTS" Mat.24:22 may
    receive the "holy spirit."

    God's Elect will NOT give the "holy spirit" to ALL the people, but to
    "WITNESSES chosen by God Acts.10:41.

    These are NEW "revelations," given to us, Rev.5 that we may "find"
    the truth, and to realize our deep "pre-ordained" "DECEPTIONS"
    to KNOW that we are in Confusion and Deception, as it was
    "pre-ordained," and so was our SALVATION also 2Tim.1:9.

    This proves that Christianity, and its "Salvation??" is the Anti-god's,
    who has "NO truth in him" Jn.8:44, making him pure evil, ONLY
    EVIL, making him OPPOSITE to our Creator, and it WAS pre-
    ordained that he be the "God of this World" 2Cor.4:4 ruling ALL
    religions, including Christianity, and ALL governments.

    Our Creator IS the "WORD" Jn.1:1, who is now "Christ-Jesus"
    ITim.2:5, and "who IS the TRUTH" Jn.14:6.

    Seeing this we can comprehend, and ACCEPT our "confusion"
    Dan.9:7,8 and deep "deception" Rev.12:9, to prove to us that we
    ARE as the people were in NOAH'S day Mat.24:37, and we also
    need to REPENT, as Noah did.

    So hang in there, and experience LIFE, as we are intended to do.

    Please send this to your friends,

    All the best and Peace,
    Thom
    Great thought on the subject. Wisdom comes from the advice of Jesus Christ though other people he allows us to communicate. Welcome to the forum

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    Re: Revelation is a victory service of the Conquering Sovereign

    Quote Originally Posted by frey#89 View Post
    I believe the 1000 year reign of Christ is literal. Human nature in me will always be a obstacle to clear reason on the subject. With constant study of the books of Yahweh and repentance of Sin in my personal life ;;;;;better reason comes out for the glory of Yahweh.
    why would anyone assume things literal? wasn't this the failing of the pharisees? they couldn't see, much less enter the kingdom, because they couldn't get past their literal (physical) interpretation of all things that were "spiritually discerned"?

    there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. said, “teacher, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
    Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. ”
    “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
    Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
    “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
    “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
    http://biblehub.com/nasb/john/3.htm

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