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    What about Psalms 104:19 ? :

    He appointed the moon, for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.”

    In this prose the sun is personified as masculine – “his”, and the moon is usually feminine.

    Yes, Yahweh says that He appointed the moon for seasons/meetings, but what meetings is He referring to ?

    It appears that the sun isn’t a part of all these meetings because “the sun knoweth his going downand doesn’t attend, whilst the moon does go on to meet the other burning nuclear infernos: the stars.

    The moon was appointed to meet separately with both the sun during the daytime, and also meet with the stars at night. These are the “meetings” He is referring to, not our meetings with Yahweh !


    Keys to the Calendar:

    The creation of light separate from darkness: day-light apart from dark-night:

    “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
    And God saw the light, that it was good:
    and God divided the light from the darkness.
    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
    And the evening and the morning were the first day.” (Genesis 1: 3–5)


    He made visible on earth the day-time and night-time burning stars: to be used for the calendarthe moon does not combust producing light and is excluded here for use in the calendar.
    The night-time precedes the day-time of every twenty four hour day:

    “And God said, Let there be lights
    ( “ luminary ” see Strong's #3974 from #215 ═ “ to be luminous . . . kindle . . . set on fire ” )
    in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;
    and let them be for signs, and for seasons (meetings), and for days, and years:
    And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth:
    and it was so. ( “ luminary ” see Strong's #3974 from #215 ═ “ to be luminous . . . kindle . . . set on fireThe sun and stars are fiery, burning, nuclear infernos ! The moon is a cold dead reflecting rock ! )
    And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: the stars.
    ( The words “he made” and “also” straddling “the stars” are not in the original text !
    i.e. “he made the stars alsodeceitfully implies thelesser lightto mean the moon, thus promoting a false lunar based calendar ! If the moon was a burning light like the sun and stars, then it would have said three great lights, not two ! )
    And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
    And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness ( but the moon is found in both ! ):
    and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.” (Genesis 1: 14–18)

    So our calendar time therefore also only starts from this fourth day, which is why the Dead Sea Scrolls solar calendar starts on the fourth day of the week.


    He never gave the moon for the calendar – a ‘new moon’ gives no light at all, and for many other nights the moon is absent – but He did give it sometimes with the stars at night, to reflect sunlight:

    “Thus saith Yahweh, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night . . .” (Jeremiah 31: 35)


    The burning sun and its mirror, the moon, promote germination and growth:

    “And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon . . .” (Deuteronomy 33: 14)


    Day and night have their perpetually fixed seasons of day-time and night-time:

    “Thus saith Yahweh; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season . . .” (Jeremiah 33: 20)


    The sun knows his time to set every day.
    The moon however, looks down both with the stars in the night-time, or she peeps out with the sun during the day-time. She meets with the sun during the day season, and also meets with the stars during the night season:

    “He appointed the moon, for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.” (Psalms 104: 19)

    The sun always dominates the day-time, with or without the moon.
    The moon dominates the night-time by reflecting the suns light.
    When without the moon, the stars dominate the night-time:

    “To him that made great lights:
    for his mercy endureth for ever:
    The sun to rule by day:
    for his mercy endureth for ever:
    The moon and stars to rule by night:
    for his mercy endureth for ever.” (Psalms 136: 7–9)

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    The DSS’s year is divided into twelve months, and there are three or more Biblical references to each of the 1st to 12th months of the solar year. ( There is not one Biblical reference to the lunar 13th month at all ! )

    The year is divided into two sections by the suns turning/“tekufah”/equinox.

    The solstices and equinoxes are the “tekufah” of Strong's no. 08622: hpwqt t@quwphah tek-oo-faw' or hpqt t@quphah tek-oo-faw' , which signifies the years turning / coming about / coming around in the course of the earth’s annual revolutionary circuit around the sun: “And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end (tekufah).” (Exodus 34: 22). I.e. after the confirmation of the years autumn equinox, then observe the Feast of Tabernacles ! Equally, the confirmation of the spring equinox/“tekufah” confirms the years last day, and demarcates the start of another year in the spring !

    The March “tekufah/equinox” was first visually confirmed, after which its sunset started the first day of the year. It was not determined solely by calculation in advance. Many sundials which were used to determine the “tekufahin real time were discovered at the Dead Sea Scrolls Qumran site.

    Each Enoch month was made up of 30 days with an extra 31st day every third month. The Dead Sea Scrolls March equinox falls on the extra 365th or 366th leap year day at the end of the 12th month.

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    What about Exodus 16:1-31 ?


    There are different ways people interpret this to support their calendars.

    Lunar calendar advocates use the 15th day in verse 1 to support their monthly weekly ‘sabbaths’ as falling on the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th of every month.

    However it is interpreted, the fact remains that cooking and non-servile work can take place on all High Day Sabbaths except the Day of Atonement, and also that all High Days are separate from the weekly Sabbaths, as proven in these previous posts.

    Therefore how can the 15th day of any second month be a weekly Sabbath if some people are annually required to kill the second Passover on the 14th and prepare and cook it possibly into the 15th, which to them is a High Day Sabbath ? ! (see Numbers 9: 3, 9–12)


    This is proof positive again that the lunar calendar is false !

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    The lunar calendar is built on unproven assumptions !

    Lunar calendar advocates assume all their weekly ‘sabbath’ days based on faulty logic and poor interpretation at best.

    The Sabbath High Days cannot also be weekly Sabbath days, as proven in these posts. With that indisputable fact, the lunar calendar collapses back into the Babylonian confusion it came out of !

    They cannot in fact pinpoint any weekly Sabbath days anywhere in the entire Bible without these assumptions. In the process of ‘proving’ their case, these assumptions somehow become accepted and used as ‘facts’, and the reader is usually swept along into accepting their ‘convincing’ case !

    I.e. They first believe in the Babylonian lunar calendar, as adapted to the Bible, and then assume all the Biblical ‘proof’ necessary to convince themselves and others like you and I. Like I said previously, I was once one of those many lunatic converts who was so foolishly convinced. Sadly I also erroneously tried to convince others before solar calendar advocates helped open my eyes.

    Lunar calendar advocates cannot actually prove their ‘sabbaths’ at all ! They also like to assume that the “preparation day” for the Passover is the same day as what much later in history became known as the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath. That assumption is crucial to back up their first main false assumption that High Day Sabbaths are also weekly Sabbaths. ( Strange how one assumption plus another assumption equals a ‘fact’ ! This is the ‘logic’ that unbelievably actually takes one in ! The Pharisees weekly “preparation day” for the weekly Sabbath actually prepared the people well in advance, to accept the lunar calendar changeover once they wrestled control of the Temple away from the Sadducees ! )

    So if the High Day Sabbaths cannot in fact also be weekly Sabbath days as proven in these posts, then Christ could quite easily have spent 72 hours in the tomb ! He said that He would rise “in three days” (John 2: 19–21 etc), and He also said He would rise “after three days” (Mark 8: 31). Even those authorities who murdered Him confirmed that He did in fact say He would rise “after three days” (Matthew 27: 63) !

    In” three days and “after” three days, but not more than three days, can only equal 72 hours ! There are no assumptions here !

    Lunar calendars cannot give three full nights and three full days in the tomb, and therefore have to ignore Mark 8: 31 and Matthew 27: 63 while at the same time using “inclusive counting” to work in the “three days” !

    I.e. They conveniently work in “inclusive counting” to work out Mark 8: 31 and Matthew 27: 63 !

    The Pharisees Babylonian lunar calendar cannot give three full nights and three full days in the tomb, and they know that this will make Christ a deceiving liaras they said He was:

    “Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.” (Matthew 27: 62–63)

    They are very, very clever, so you can go along with their Babylonian lunar calendar, or you can investigate an alternative that does not make Christ out to be a deceiving liar !

    Mark 8: 31 and Matthew 27: 63 cannot be worked out and thrown away !

    When the Pharisees finally got violent control of the Temple in 68AD, they immediately changed the Omer date to the 16th Abib, after the High Day Sabbath of the Passover. This is a historical fact ! This immediately distorted the calendar in favour of the re-introduction of the Babylonian lunar calendar !

    At the same time this deceit substantiates their claim that Christ, their greatest enemy, is a deceiving liar !

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    For those who have been following these posts, you can see the correct solar Passover, Crucifixion and Resurrection sequence of events on pages 9 to11 of

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc


    This proves that Christ was not a deceitful liar in Mark 8: 31 and Matthew 27: 63, and that it is the lunar calendar that is deceitfully promoting a lie !

    Christ did spend three full nights and three full days in the tomb, rising at the end of 72 hours at the start of the weekly Sabbath asLord of the Sabbath”. This weekly Sabbath is the centre of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and is the “first of the Sabbaths” after the Passover High Day. The next day is the Omer, which the Pharisees later changed to the 16th Abib to support their lunar calendar lie that the 15th Passover High Day is also a weekly Sabbath day, thus contradicting Mark 8: 31 and Matthew 27: 63, and so making Christ out a liar, as they always said !

    After the weekly “first of the Sabbaths” and the next day Omer, there are the following seven weekly Sabbaths of the 49 day count to the 50th day Festival of First Fruits or Pentecost. The last seventh Sabbath of the count, falls on the seventh of Sivan. The resurrection day “first of the Sabbathspreceding the count, equals eight Sabbaths in total, and Pentecost falls on the eighth day of the third month !

    The significance of Christ and the number eight is the Last Great Day after the Feast of Tabernacles: “the eighth day” ( Leviticus 23: 39 ), not the first and ‘eighth’ day Julian Sun-day of the Pagan Roman week.

    The seven day Feast of Tabernacles and the following eighthLast Great Day” reflect the “1st of the Sabbathsafter Passover plus the next seven Sabbaths count up to Pentecost the following day, which equals eight weekly Sabbaths in total !

    Pages 13, 15, 23 and 24 of

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc


    also show two Dead Sea Scrolls solar calendars corrected to the Sadducee Omer one week earlier. The second DSS’s calendar has our Roman calendar dates superimposed, enabling us to continually see where we are in comparison.

    ( “The Temple Calendaris still a work in progress. Previously published parts are frequently even now corrected or modified as more information is being added. It is advisable to download the latest fuller version.)

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    What about Acts 20:5-7 ?

    “These going before tarried for us at Troas.
    And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
    And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” (Acts 20:5-7)

    These verses are very specific about the first day of a particular week, and is powerful evidence for its calendar, but what calendar is alluded to ?

    After the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Paul and his party sailed away from Philippi and arrived at Troas on the fifth day. They include the fifth day of their arrival with the seven days at Troas. Their last seventh night at Troas started the first day of the week. That evening Paul preached until midnight, they abode that night there, and they departed in the morning that same first day of the week.

    With 30 days in Abib, on the lunar calendar they claim that this “first day of the week” works out as the second day of their second new-moon-month, which is always their first day of the week. This obviously means that the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of this second lunar month are again all ‘sabbath’ days. This is used by lunar calendar advocates to again ‘prove’ their case.

    However,

    All Biblical High Day Sabbaths cannot fall on normal seventh day weekly Sabbaths, as proven in this thread with these previous posts: #27, #28 and #31. Therefore they cannot fall on any of the lunar ‘weekly sabbaths’.
    • This second month also has the second Passover on the 15th day as explained in post #35, showing again that the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of this second lunar month are also not normal seventh day weekly Sabbaths as they like to claim.
    • The very first Passover in Egypt was not yet instituted as a High Day Sabbath, which is why they could escape out of Egypt on that day. However if it was also already a normal Genesis seventh day weekly Sabbath, Yahweh would not have required them to break it for Him before He later again revealed it to them. “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day” (Matthew 24: 20). This confirms that the 15th Abib could never have been a weekly Sabbath Day !
    Finally, they confirm that Paul travelled after the Feast of Unleavened Bread and arrived in Troas on the fifth day. They state that this fifth day was the 26th day of the month. This means that they did start their journey immediately after the seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and therefore started their journey on the 22nd Abib, which is supposed to be a lunar seventh day weekly ‘sabbath’ ! I am not sure how sailors already on the high seas avoid defiling the weekly Sabbath, but would Paul have packed his bags, made his way to the harbour, boarded a vessel and set sail on a sea voyage on the weekly Sabbath day ? If not then that 22nd day of Abib was not a Biblical weekly Sabbath day !


    There is in fact nonew moon” month in the New Testament, as shown in post #30 above.

    See also post #29 above for “new moons” in the Old Testament.

    So if Paul didn't follow a lunar calendar, as just proven above, what calendar did he follow ?

    If you look at the Dead Sea Scrolls solar calendar shown on page 13 of

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    you can see that Paul started his voyage on the 22nd Abib, which was the 4th day of the week. He arrived in Troas on the 26th after 5 day’s travel. They abode there in Troas for the first night and for another six nights. On this last evening, which ended the weekly Sabbath and started the first day of the week, the disciples gathered together at supper. Paul then preached to them until midnight. They abode there for the rest of the seventh night and departed the following morning, the third day of the second month and the first day of the week according to the Dead Sea Scrolls Solar Calendar ! This fits perfectly without any problems !

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    Your "Attachment 431" of the previouse post #39 DOES NOT WORK AND GETS THE FOLLOWING RESPONSE:

    "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

    Nobody can read it.

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    Please note:

    Post #27/28 is my response to Genesis 1:14-18 in ch. 1-3 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    Post #29/30 is my response to all “new moon” references of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    Post #31 is my response to the 1st monthly lunar ‘sabbath’ of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    Post #33 is my response to Psalms 104:19 references in ch. 1 and 3 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    Post #35 is my response to Exodus 16:1-31 references in ch. 4 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    Post #36/37 is my response to e.g. 1 in ch. 5 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    The timeline of e.g. 2 in ch. 5 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon" is too vague and unproven in the Bible to actually warrant a comment.

    Post #38 is my response to e.g. 3 in ch. 5 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon".

    In John 5:1-9 of e.g. 4 in ch. 5 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon", there is no proof at all that the Feast/Sabbath referred to is a lunar ‘sabbath! Merely stating it with ‘authority’ doesn’t make it a fact !

    In Numbers 29:12-39 of e.g. 5 in ch. 5 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon", weekly Sabbaths cannot fall on any High Days as instructed in Leviticus 23: 37-38. In any case, how can the 15th and 21st of the 1st month, and also the 15th, 21st and 22nd of the 7th month all be High Days and also weekly Sabbaths ? !

    In Esther chapter 9 of e.g. 6 in ch. 5 of "Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon", verse 18 shows that the Jews that were at Shushan made the 15th day of the 12th month a day of resting, feasting and gladness, but verses 16, 17 and 19 show that the other Jews that were in the king’s provinces made the 14th day of the 12th month a day of resting, feasting and gladness, and the 15th day was normal. In any case if the 15th day was a Genesis weekly Sabbath already, they wouldn’t have to make it a resting day, especially for some and not for others !

    This is as far as I have got so far, but I will continue to push on with “Weekly Sabbath Days are Determined by the Moon" and let you know my results.


    Are you prepared to do me the same courtesy with this document ? :

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

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    Many of the Pharisees were imposter Edomite proselyte wolves in sheep’s clothing – tares amongst the wheat. Christ said they were “of their father the devil” who sowed them, and they were the samedogs” who crucified Him. He said they do the works of their father. They are masters of deceit, and are master illusionists in deeds and in words, just like their father !

    When using the moon incorrectly with the stellar luminaries, the result is the same as with all false calendars – they signal the incorrect days of the year for Yahweh's meetings with Israel, to our detriment. The Edomites know this:

    “And God said, Let there be lights ( “ luminary ” see Strong's #3974 from #215 ═ “ to be luminous . . . kindle . . . set on fire ” ) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (meetings), and for days, and years:” (Genesis 1:14)

    So far in the posts of this thread you can see that the ‘lunar-solar Biblical calendar’ is a very clever Pharisee fabrication. It uses scribal smoke and mirrors to distort ones view and perception of the Word, and rend the Scriptures into a false man made doctrine:

    Dogs and wolves yap, bay and howl at the moon, not sheep !

    See http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

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