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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    Justification for how the Feast of Unleavened Bread in Exodus 12:18 is interpreted is probably decisive in determining whether the “Last Supper” was a Passover or not ! The Feast of Unleavened Bread is for seven days. So if the “Last Supper” was a Passover according to Exodus 12:18, then they would have eaten unleavened bread that day, and up until the twenty first Abib, making it an actual Feast of eight days Unleavened Bread, and not seven days Unleavened Bread !

    Clearly Exodus 12:18 is correctly interpreted in the same way as explained in the Biblical interpretation of the Day of Atonement in Leviticus 23: 27–32. Here verse 32 ensures that the 10th referred to in verse 27 starts at the sunset end of the 9th, so that there is no mistake ! If it started at the beginning of the 9th then obviously it wouldn’t be “the 10th day” :

    “Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh.
    And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before Yahweh your God.
    For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
    And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
    Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
    It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23: 27–32)

    This “evenis sunset at the end of the 9th, [U]because if it started at the beginning of the 9th[/U]: then it wouldn’t be the 10th ! ! ! ( See Strong's # 6153 and #6150 )

    It appears therefore that the “Last Supper” was not the Passover meal, and that Christ kept the Feasts and Sabbaths in full accordance with the Sadducees and the Temple Calendar which they controlled. Only much later when the Sadducees were disempowered by the Pharasees seizing control of the Temple in 68AD just before the Temple was destroyed in 70AD, did the Pharisees opportunistically change the Omer date from the Sadducee’s date, to their ‘Omer’ on the 16th Abib, indicating that this was the first crucial step to re-introducing the false Babylonian lunar ‘Biblical’ calendar, well after the crucifixion: The false lunar calendar has to have the Omer on the 16th Abib !

    To repeat, the “seasons” of Genesis 1: 14 are the “appointments / meetings” of the Sabbaths, new- months and solemn feasts. Even in the perfectly circular orbit of Enoch’s 364 day year, the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread, as well as the Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles, always correctly fall well after the equinoxes. Even Enoch’s first day of the year and Day of Trumpets fall the day after his calendars spring and autumn equinoxes. The focus is on meeting with Yahweh, not with the sun or with spring, summer, winter and autumn !

    The Passover is also always killed on the fourteenth and eaten on the fifteenth. If it is killed and also eaten on the fourteenth with unleavened bread, then the Feast of Unleavened Bread will consist of eight days unleavened bread, instead of seven days unleavened bread from the 15th to the 21st Abib. The day is separate from the night, and the light is separate from the dark. Day-light and dark-night make up one day. The first going down of the sun at mid-day and the second going down of the sun at sunset is part of the “evening”, and “between the evenings” is at 3pm. The full evening is from mid-day to mid-night and conversely the full morning is from mid-night to mid-day. John 20: 1–19 proves that there is no day change either at sunrise or at mid-day ! The day changes after the “second going down of the sun” at sunset. Only this way can you correctly kill the Passover on the afternoon of the fourteenth and still eat it with unleavened bread on the fifteenth, correctly giving seven days unleavened bread up to and including the twenty first of Abib !

    For more see
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    When does the weekly Sabbath start ?

    John 20:1–19 proves that there is no day change either at sunrise or at mid-day !

    The day changes after the “second going down of the sunat sunset.

    The Passover is always killed on the fourteenth and eaten on the fifteenth. If it is both killed and also eaten on the fourteenth with unleavened bread, then the Feast of Unleavened Bread will consist of eight days unleavened bread, instead of seven days unleavened bread from the 15th to the 21st Abib.

    The day is separate from the night. The light is separate from the dark. Dark-night and day-light make up one day.

    The first going down of the sun at mid-day, and the second going down of the sun at sunset, is part of the “evening”.

    Between the evenings/going down of the sunis at 3pm when the Passover Lamb is killed.

    Both before and after sunrise, from mid-night to noon, is the morning.

    After-noon is the “eveningup until mid-night.

    I.e. the full evening is from mid-day to mid-night and conversely the full morning is from mid-night to mid-day.

    Even-tide” is the phase between two consecutive days at sunset.

    Only this way can you correctly kill the Passover on the afternoon of the fourteenth and still eat it with unleavened bread on the fifteenth, thus giving a maximum of seven days unleavened bread up to and including the twenty first of Abib !

    Moses and Aaron were both summoned soon after mid-night in the morning, when along with the rest of grieving Egypt Pharaoh also discovered that even his firstborn son was dead ! The Israelites had already burnt the leftovers of the Passover before midnight, leaving none of it until the morning. When Moses and Aaron returned with permission from Pharaoh, the Israelites were fully prepared and began mobilising to leave Egypt - while it was still night.


    Overall I think that the preponderance of evidence is in favour of this view.

    For more see
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    ( “The Temple Calendaris still a work in progress. Previously published parts are corrected or modified as more information is being added. It is advisable to download the latest fuller version. )

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    When does the morning begin ?

    “Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
    And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason;
    and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.” (Exodus 12:21–22).

    When along with the rest of grieving Egypt Pharaoh discovered that even his firstborn son was dead, Moses and Aaron were summoned and both and went out the door of their house to see Pharaoh: soon after mid-night in the morning (Exodus 12: 29–33).

    The Israelites had already burnt the leftovers of the Passover before midnight, leaving none of it until the morning (Exodus 12:10). When Moses and Aaron returned with permission from Pharaoh, the Israelites were fully prepared and began mobilising to urgently leave Egypt - while it was still night (Exodus 12: 31, 41–42; Deuteronomy 16:1).

    Moses and Aaron went out in the morning after mid-night to see Pharaoh, and the whole of Israel began leaving Egypt before sunrise while it was still dark. They all left the doors of their houses after mid-night in the morning, while it was still dark !

    I.e. the morning starts at mid-night ! ! !

    For more see
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    ( “The Temple Calendar” is still a work in progress. Previously published parts are corrected or modified as more information is being added. It is advisable to download the latest fuller version. )

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    Which Calendar did Christ follow ?

    The Dead Sea Scrolls solar calendar begins the year at sunset, after the March equinox is first confirmed, and starts with the fourth day of the week. The beginning of the year is annually reset to start with the fourth day of the week. They did this because during the six days of creation in Genesis, the light was only separated from the dark on the fourth day, making the fourth day the first discernable daily cycle of night and day. If our year returned to a 364 day orbital cycle, then the year would in any case automatically reset to start on the same day of the week every year.

    Either way, it is only possible to keep the weekly Sabbath separate from any High Days, the lamb separation day or the preparation day for the Passover if the year always starts on the fourth day of the week. If the Sabbath day continually floats over into the next year, some Sabbaths will fall on a High Day requiring cooking, which is a violation of the weekly Sabbath, or may fall on the Passover lamb separation day, which is herding and sorting sheep on the Sabbath, or may fall on the Passover Preparation Day, requiring slaughtering a lamb, kindling a fire and roasting a lamb on the weekly Sabbath. The only solar calendar that avoids this is one which annually resets to start the year with the fourth day of the week. Amazingly the Genesis fourth day of creation was the first discernable daily cycle of night and day, which also seems to validate this method of starting every year.

    The Jerusalem Temple Calendar at the time of the Dead Sea Scrolls was very similar, with the same weekly Sabbaths, yet we know that the Temple Calendar kept the Omer day one week before the Dead Sea Scrolls calendar. The Dead Sea Scrolls community spanned the period before and after Christ, and was not a “Christian” sect. After Christ they don't seem to have seen the significance of the Sadducees Temple Calendars earlier Omar, falling directly after the weekly Sabbath of Christ's resurrection as “Lord of the Sabbath” in the living centre of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This is confirmation that the Sadducees Temple Calendar, with its earlier Omer and consequently earlier Pentecost, is correct.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls calendar, modified to the Sadducees earlier Omer date, exhibits other interesting features which point to Christ and verify the true and correct Temple Calendar - which Christ actually followed. This is explained and visually illustrated in pages 9 to 15 of -

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    ( “The Temple Calendaris still a work in progress. Previously published parts are frequently corrected or modified as more information is being added. It is advisable to download the latest fuller version. )

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    The “seasons” of Genesis 1: 14 are the “appointments / meetings” of the Sabbaths, new-months and solemn feasts. Even in the perfectly circular orbit of Enoch’s 364 day year, the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread, as well as the Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles, always correctly fall well after the equinoxes. Even Enoch’s first day of the year and Day of Trumpets fall the day after his calendars spring and autumn equinoxes. The focus is on meeting with Yahweh, not with the sun or with spring, summer, winter and autumn !

    See http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    ( “The Temple Calendaris still a work in progress. Previously published parts are frequently corrected or modified as more information is being added. It is advisable to download the latest fuller version. )

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    George, if you had clicked on the link to “The Temple Calendar” ( http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc ) you would have seen that I am well aware that there were previous changes in the Earths orbit. Also if you had carefully read the full article and even the posts in this thread, you would have realized that we are not talking about any pseudo ‘Jewish’ calendar, but the calendar of the genuine Israelites as laid out in the Bible by Yahweh Himself !

    In “THE TEMPLE CALENDAR” thread found in The New Testament section of this forum, you also posted a reply promoting the Julian calendar. I challenged you to prove that calendar from the Bible ( http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/f...EMPLE-CALENDAR ).

    I will let other readers decide for themselves how valid your claim is in comparison with all the Biblical evidence I have provided.

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    Are the Sabbath High Day Feasts also Weekly Sabbaths ?

    After their exodus from Egypt and in their wanderings in the wilderness under Moses, the Israelites travelled or rested according to the cloud and fire over the tabernacle:

    “Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of Yahweh filled the tabernacle.
    And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of Yahweh filled the tabernacle.
    And when the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys:
    But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up.
    For the cloud of Yahweh was upon the tabernacle by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.” (Exodus 40: 34–38)

    On the weekly seventh day Sabbath none of them were permitted to wander off from the camp:

    “See, for that Yahweh hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” (Exodus 16:29)

    In other words for however long the cloud was over the tabernacle they did not journey on, and while still in the wilderness they did not even leave the camp on the weekly Sabbath day.

    “And it came to pass on the twentieth day of the second month, in the second year, that the cloud was taken up from off the tabernacle of the testimony.
    And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness of Sinai; and the cloud rested in the wilderness of Paran.” (Numbers 10:11–12)

    This means that this “twentieth day of the second month” was not a weekly Sabbath. It follows then that throughout the year every seventh day before and after it is also not a weekly Sabbath !

    So on any calendar if any of these days are a weekly Sabbath, that calendar is incorrect !

    If Abib has thirty days then this is confirmation that Abib 1, Abib15 and Abib 22 are High Days but not weekly Sabbath days ! (see Leviticus 23: 37–38 and pages 16 and 17 of http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc ).

    Ezra had a three month examination and enquiry into every man that had taken strange wives:

    “And the children of the captivity did so. And Ezra the priest, with certain chief of the fathers, after the house of their fathers, and all of them by their names, were separated, and sat down in the first day of the tenth month to examine the matter.
    And they made an end with all the men that had taken strange wives by the first day of the first month.” (Ezra 10:16–17)

    This business ended before the first day of the year, but started on the first day of the tenth month which could not have been a weekly Sabbath. It follows then that throughout the year every seventh day before and after it is also not a weekly Sabbath !

    So on any calendar if any of these days are a weekly Sabbath, that calendar is incorrect !

    Any solar calendar with the same number of days in the months as the Enoch’s calendar has to also agree with this.

    On the Dead Sea Scrolls calendar both these days, and every seventh day before and after them throughout the year, are not a weekly Sabbath and are all in fact the fourth day of the week: all the High days in the seventh month therefore are also not weekly Sabbaths ! (see Leviticus 23: 37–38 and pages 16 and 17 of http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc ).

    See http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    ( “The Temple Calendar” is still a work in progress. Previously published parts are frequently corrected or modified as more information is being added. It is advisable to download the latest fuller version. )

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    I have heard many different views on this particular question and I just wanted to see what everyone has to say about this? I have read/heard that the traditional day of Sunday is proper, but other information advises that Saturday or Friday would be the correct days. I am personally confused on what day to celebrate the Sabbath on and would like to know if anyone could recommend any scriptures that would point to the proper day?

    On a side note with this subject, what about the holidays and Feasts that we are supposed to celebrate according to scripture? Forgive me for what is probably very basic questions but I have been confused about this for awhile. I would appreciate any help ya'll could give me on these questions!

    The Sabbath is the "SEVENTH DAY" of the WEEK.

    But did you know over 100 passages, or sections of scripture tell you what day of the MONTH that SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK falls on??

    It is ALWAYS ... yes EVERY INSTANCE ... the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the month. YES, the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK is ALWAYS either the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the month. WHY? Because the Seventh Day Sabbath is a "MOED" and all MOEDIM are set by the MOON.

    Lev 23:2 SpeakH1696 untoH413 the childrenH1121 of Israel,H3478 and sayH559 untoH413 them, Concerning the feastsH4150 of the LORD,H3068 whichH834 (H853) ye shall proclaimH7121 to be holyH6944 convocations,H4744 even theseH428 are my feasts.H4150 [<<<<<<<<<<<< MOEDIM]
    Lev 23:3 SixH8337 daysH3117 shall workH4399 be done:H6213 but the seventhH7637 dayH3117 is the sabbathH7676 of rest,H7677 an holyH6944 convocation;H4744 ye shall doH6213 noH3808 H3605 workH4399 therein: itH1931 is the sabbathH7676 of the LORDH3068 in allH3605 your dwellings.H4186


    Psa 104:19 He appointedH6213 the moonH3394 for seasons:H4150 [<<<<<<<MOEDIM] the sunH8121 knowethH3045 his going down.H3996

    All Moedim are set by the MOON.

    Here is more on the subject if interested - I DO NOT AGREE WITH EVERY DETAIL ON THIS SITE:

    http://www.lunarsabbath.info/

    and a free book - though I do not agree with every detail this book provides either:
    http://www.ministersnewcovenant.org/...date-2013.html

    and some interesting videos on the subject on Youtube - though I do not agree with everything these people say either - there are three parts:



    IF you are still in East Tennessee there was a group keeping such a Sabbath and feasts but I am not sure if they are still functioning as the main overseer had a stroke and has been trying to get back to full health again. They are at:

    http://www.oneyahweh.com/w/

    That is "Buddy" Johnson's site. His contact number was on there. He has a lot of sermons on there too, some dealing with the subject.

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    Dear LastBattleCry,

    I carefully examined many pro-lunar calendar sites over more than a year before for a time becoming a follower of the so called ‘Biblical’ lunar calendar. The internet is literally flooded with their sites.

    For about another year I erroneously promoted a lunar calendar, and I believe that I know its basic workings better than most of its own supporters.

    Have you ever examined some of the relatively few pro-solar calendar sites on the net ? You cannot make a truly informed choice, or promote one side of the argument, without examining both sides first ! It only takes one good solar-calendar site to shake the lunar calendar house of cards to the ground ! It came as quite a shock to me at the time, like discovering Santa Claus was not real !

    Most solar calendar sites have clearly examined both sides of the argument, because in part they rely on Biblically demolishing the lunar calendar to make their solar calendar case. Almost all lunar calendar sites carefully avoid even mentioning a solar calendar for fear of shooting themselves in both feet !

    If you haven’t already carefully examined a solar Biblical calendar (as I suspect you haven’t), I have made it easy for you and everyone else by combining almost everyone’s Biblical counter to the lunar calendar into this one document:

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc


    In addition I have included some of my own enquiries and how the Dead Sea Scrolls solar calendar fits in. There are other interesting facts other people have made which I may include in this document, which is still a work in progress.

    Do you have any comment on any of my posts in this thread ?

    You say: “But did you know over 100 passages, or sections of scripture tell you what day of the MONTH that SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK falls on?
    It is ALWAYS ... yes EVERY INSTANCE ... the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the month. YES, the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK is ALWAYS either the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the month. WHY? Because the Seventh Day Sabbath is a "MOED" and all MOEDIM are set by the MOON.”

    Are you 100% sure of this ? On close examination it might not be quite as it seems !

    Please read my previous post in this thread carefully (post #19). Do you realise that if Abib has 30 days, then Numbers 10:11–12 proves that the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th of Abib, as well as the 1st Abib, cannot be a seventh day weekly Sabbath !

    Hallelujah !

    Work it out for yourself with a pen and paper !

    This is also very good news for all solar calendar advocates, showing that it is not necessary to rend square non-cooking weekly Sabbath day Scriptures, and force them into round Sabbath High Day Feasts requiring cooking !

    The rest of that post shows that the same applies for the High Days of the seventh month, and Leviticus 23: 37–38 confirms this for all High Days including the Day of Atonement !

    Hallelujah !


    Remember, that in the lunar calendar the weekly cycle is re-set anew every single month regardless of how many days there are in a solar year ! This makes every months’ sabbaths the same ! ! ! The solar calendars weekly cycle is only re-set at the start of the year, and only in our year not divisible by seven days ! In Enoch’s year of 364 days divisible by seven, the weekly Sabbath cycle automatically re-sets to the same day at the start of every year, so ours is also reset in accordance with this principle.

    The lunar calendar does not stand up to close scrutiny as shown in

    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

    If you haven’t examined the solar calendar, be fair to yourself and study this document. It will save you hundreds of hours searching for the calendar truth and you can double check everything for yourself as I have.

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    Re: What does everyone consider the Sabbath day to fall on?

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    I think that this post bears repeating for lunar calendar supporters:
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    The weekly Sabbath day is part of the Biblical calendar made up of days, weeks and months.

    There are three or more Biblical references, for each and every one of the “first” to “twelfth” months of the Biblical year, but there is not one reference anywhere in the entire Bible, to any so called lunar-solar “thirteenth month!

    Why ?

    When convincingly faced with this fact, alarm bells should also ring for other people like me, who have been falsely converted to a Biblical lunar-solar calendar. With all the other ‘convincing’ proof, this “thirteenth month” is somehow so readily accepted as right. Fortunately people on the internet have opened my eyes. This intermittent “thirteenth month” is part of much new “oral law” that is needed to force the Babylonian “lunar solar” calendar into a resemblance of Biblical authenticity. To the Enemy it does not matter which false calendar we follow, so long as it does not perfectly synchronise with the true Biblical calendar. That way you will rarely even keep the Sabbath !

    So when we turn back to the Bible the Enemy already has a game plan set in place long ago. The Enemy never tells us that there is no Biblical reference to this “thirteenth month”. He also ignores the Dead Sea Scrolls/Maccabean/Enoch solar calendars.

    Why ?

    It is because he will be divided against himself. He is far brighter than that !

    Wouldn’t you prefer to make a totally informed decision, based also on information being withheld from you ?

    What are all the facts ?

    See the full truth here:
    http://www.declarethedecree.com/the_temple_calendar.doc

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