Shroud of Turin Real?

[Erik]

As you read each apostles account it gets more detailed…

Matthew 27:59
And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

Mark 15:46
“And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

Luke 23:53
“And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

Luke 24:12
“Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

John 19:40
Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

John 20:4-7
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


In Conclusion, it would seem that Jesus was wrapped in multiple linen cloths with a napkin wrapped around his head. This makes me believe the Shroud of Turin is a fake...


Lazarus Body Example:

John 11:44
And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.


What are your thoughts?

On a side note, I actually found this out from this website a few years ago…
https://ccofct.blogspot.com/search?q=shroud+of+turin

[Michael]

It was probably a fake using very basic early 'secret' photography:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography

Precursor technologies[edit]

A camera obscura used for drawing

Photography is the result of combining several technical discoveries, relating to seeing an image and capturing the image. The discovery of the camera obscura ("dark chamber" in Latin) that provides an image of a scene dates back to ancient China. Greek mathematicians Aristotle and Euclid independently described a pinhole camera in the 5th and 4th centuries BCE.^[8][9] In the 6th century CE, Byzantine mathematician Anthemius of Tralles used a type of camera obscura in his experiments.^[10] The Arab physicist Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) (965–1040) also invented a camera obscura and pinhole camera.^[9][11]
Leonardo da Vinci mentions natural camera obscura that are formed by dark caves on the edge of a sunlit valley. A hole in the cave wall will act as a pinhole camera and project a laterally reversed, upside down image on a piece of paper. Renaissance painters used the camera obscura which, in fact, gives the optical rendering in color that dominates Western Art. It is a box with a hole in it which allows light to go through and create an image onto the piece of paper.
The birth of photography was then concerned with inventing means to capture and keep the image produced by the camera obscura. Albertus Magnus (1193–1280) discovered silver nitrate,^[12] and Georg Fabricius (1516–1571) discovered silver chloride,^[13] and the techniques described in Ibn al-Haytham's Book of Optics are capable of producing primitive photographs using medieval materials.^[14][15]
Daniele Barbaro described a diaphragm in 1566.^[16] Wilhelm Homberg described how light darkened some chemicals (photochemical effect) in 1694.^[17] The fiction book Giphantie, published in 1760, by French author Tiphaigne de la Roche, described what can be interpreted as photography.^[16]
Around the year 1800, British inventor Thomas Wedgwood made the first known attempt to capture the image in a camera obscura by means of a light-sensitive substance. He used paper or white leather treated with silver nitrate. Although he succeeded in capturing the shadows of objects placed on the surface in direct sunlight, and even made shadow copies of paintings on glass, it was reported in 1802 that "the images formed by means of a camera obscura have been found too faint to produce, in any moderate time, an effect upon the nitrate of silver." The shadow images eventually darkened all over.^[18]

[Michael]

The Shroud image is proportionally perfect, but if you take children's red water-paint, paint someones face, lay a napkin over his face and gently pat it down, then peel it off and examine the image produced, it would be noticeably wider than normal !

[Michael]

My avatar by the way is similar to the Shroud, but is actually a photo of a frieze bas-relief in an arched enclave.
The pigeons obviously roost there at night and produce the blood effect !

[Michael]

The Catholic Church, like the mystery religions, doesn't promote knowledge - it mystifies Truth into superstition.
That's why I say we have to de-mystify the Truth !

[Michael]

The body was treated with different things and wrapped up.
I believe it may be that the grave clothes dried into the mannequin shape of the missing body
and with the head napkin removed it revealed an empty but secure body shaped cavity,
thus proving a supernatural exit !


"It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James,
and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

Then arose Peter, (to see the strange evidence they described)
and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, (i.e. examining carefully !)
he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves,
(The head napkin was removed and folded on one side: to reveal no body !
See John 20:7 and John 11: 43–44.)
and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass." (Luke 24:10-12)