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    Why Jesus is not the Genuine God [Irrefutable]

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    Why Jesus is not the Genuine God [Irrefutable]

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    The word mystery means “secret plan!” YHWH has a plan, through Christ, that has been revealed to the few at this time. It will be revealed to the elect at Christ’s second coming.

    Christ came to die for OUR sins, not His! He requested something special from the Father, because He remained faithful!!! Note His request: John 17:5 – “And now O Father, glorify you Me with Your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.” Christ desired the same glorified spirit composed body that He had with the Father, even before the world was created! Our hope is to receive a NEW body also!!!

    What is Christ to us other than our Savior? Colossians 1:12-18 – “Giving thanks unto the Father, which has made us fit to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who has delivered us from the power of darkness [Satan’s system], and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son: In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: And He is BEFORE all things, and BY Him all things consist. And He IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY. THE CHURCH: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead: that in ALL things He might have the preeminence.”

    Christ CREATED everything that exists, by the YHWH’s permission. He is the HEAD of the church. He appoints human leadership, but He retains the ultimate Headship!!! Ephesians 4:11-15 – “And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; FOR the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we ALL COME IN THE UNITY OF THE FAITH, and of the knowledge of the Son of YHWH, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: that we henceforth be NO more children, TOSSED TO AND FRO, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight [tricks] of men, and cunning craftiness [cleverness], whereby they lie in wait TO DECEIVE: But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things; which is the HEAD, even Christ:”

    Do we really believe that Christ’ words are true? He is only the Son of God forgiving us of our sins! Without Him, we have NO salvation! The real Christ has “all power in heaven and in earth.” If we claim to be a saint of YHWH and have YHWH’s Spirit living in us, why would we not want to believe and OBEY all of His instructions? He gave His instructions through His servants who wrote them down under His inspiration (2 Timothy 3:16-17).


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    The Deity of Jesus Christ

    The Deity of Jesus Christ is the most debated doctrine concerning Jesus’ identity. Who was Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ God? The main focus of this information will be demonstrating Biblically that Jesus Christ is God.

    “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins” (John 8:24 NASB)

    The Deity of Jesus Christ & Misunderstandings

    Some people misunderstand the doctrine of Jesus Christ being by nature God. Some people say: “Your doctrine is of the devil and is confusing…Jesus is not God because the Father alone is God…Jesus cannot be God because Jesus is the Son of God.” Those who say the doctrine of Jesus Christ being God is of the devil have not come to understand what the Scriptures teach in context and they have been blinded by the ways of the world. (Colossians 2:1-9) For those who have not come to know Jesus Christ personally and do not have the Holy Spirit to give them spiritual understanding state this doctrine is confusing, and honestly without the Holy Spirit this doctrine is confusing. (1 Corinthians 2:14-16) Those who say Jesus is not God because the Father alone is God misunderstand what Christians believe concerning the nature of Jesus. Jesus Christ is a distinct personage from the Father, He came to reveal the heart of the Father, and is by nature and identity God from eternity. (John 1:1-18 & Philippians 2:5-11) Jesus Christ is the Son of God but that does not mean that He is not by nature and identity God. The title, “the Son of God”, in regards to Jesus Christ refers to His equality with God (the Father), which is a way of expressing His Deity in the flesh. (John 5:18-23) Jesus being the Son of God shows He is a distinct personage from the Father and at the same time by identity God in the flesh. Jesus is also called the “Son of Man” which identifies Him as both Messiah and Lord (Matthew 12:8), yet no one will say that Jesus was not man in the flesh, in the likeness of mankind.

    What does the Bible teach about the Deity of Jesus Christ?

    The Bible teaches that there is one God to be served and all other so called gods are not genuine or true. (Isaiah 43:10, Galatians 4:8) The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh sent from the Father to redeem mankind from their sins. (John 1:1 & 14, John 3:16, Matthew 1:21-23) Those who say the Bible does not teach the Deity of Jesus Christ have come to wrong conclusions, thus misunderstanding the context and overall emphasis of who God is.

    What do other Religious Groups believe about the Deity of Jesus Christ?

    Jehovah’s Witnesses deny the Deity of Jesus Christ by teaching that He is the first of God’s creation, also called Michael the archangel. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been deceived with another Jesus through the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society’s false teachings. Mormons don’t believe in only one God, but in many Gods, and they believe Jesus became a God thus rejecting His eternal Deity. There are many sincere Mormons who believe in Jesus but they do not have the Jesus of the Bible. Islam rejects the Deity of Jesus Christ and Him being the Son of God. Muslims do believe in Jesus as being a prophet of God but they have a wrong Biblical view of who He is and what He came to do. The dividing line of any religious group is on the Deity of Jesus Christ. There were many who opposed the true identity of Jesus Christ among the early Church and there have been many throughout history. (Matthew 7:15 & 21-23, Acts 20:23-31, 2 Corinthians 11:4 & 13-15, Colossians 2:1-9, 1 Timothy 4:1-3, 2 Timothy 4:2-5)

    Knowing the Jesus of the Bible

    The Bible teaches eternity is at stake with or without knowing Jesus personally. If you do not know the Jesus of the Bible you are not saved, but there is hope. God's desire is for anyone to be saved and come to know Jesus Christ personally. (2 Peter 3:9) Scriptures on knowing Jesus Christ personally are: Matthew 5:1-7:29, Matthew 10:22-32, Matthew 16:24-26, John 1:1-18, John 3:14-18, John 5:24, John 8:24, John 14:1-6, John 16:7-15, John 20:24-31, Romans 1:16-17, Romans 3:21-31, Romans 4:1-6, Romans 5:1-10, Romans 10:9-13, 1 John 1:1-10, 1 John 5:10-13 & 20.

    If you have any questions on what the Bible teaches about the Deity of Jesus Christ and how to receive Him please let us know. May God bless you and guide you.

    “1 For I want you to know how great a struggle I have on your behalf and for those who are at Laodicea, and for all those who have not personally seen my face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God's mystery, that is, Christ Himself, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I say this so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument. 5 For even though I am absent in body, nevertheless I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good discipline and the stability of your faith in Christ. 6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” (Colossians 2:1-9 NASB)


    If Paul could not be trusted in claiming that Jesus was God Himself, then surely Saint Peter, James or another Apostle would have spent some time disputing him on that point, but they did not do so.

    Jesus is God, but unless you have been enlightened by the Spirit of God you will not be able nor willing to understand this.

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    Great post brother. There are so many people that just can't see who He is. Even Melchezidek had attributes very similar to Yahshua Christ, we are taught that 'by him were all things created.." when speaking of our Redeemer. John 1:1-14 actually makes its plain to see, and that is in line with the teaching that 'there is simplicity in Christ'. Overthinking and overanalyzing what is plainly written only serves to separate the body from the mind. All the endless debates springing up today from denying the deity of Christ to going as far as saying our Fathers holy name is really a Pagan god of war... there is one truth and noone will ever see it at all unless they are not only called, but chosen.

    Again, great post
    " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." Hebrews 8:10-11

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    Is Jesus God?

    Is Jesus God or is He the son of God? This question has been asked recently and the question is loaded. A Jew I would expect would say no.

    One of the issues here is past, present and future tense; was Jesus Elohim, I would say yes; was Jesus Jehovah, I do not know; was Jesus God when He walked the earth, His name was God with us; and He did raise himself from the dead; since His resurrection Jesus has a new name.

    I do not know what the people who ask this question are actually asking. The word God is a title or rank, not different in nature to Lord, Prince, King, or Captain; if the word God is defined differently in scripture then that definition would be for a unique personality. Jehovah is a proper name with a unique meaning, it is not a title; Allah is a meaningful name not a title; Allah does not mean Jehovah.

    When God became man His name changed as well as His title; He was not called God of the Jews but was called King of the Judeans; Jesus now has a new name but His title is still king.

    With the name, "God with us" I am not sure if this refers to Jehovah, Adonay or Elohim.

    With "the Lord thy God" Lord could be Jehovah or Adonay and God is Elohim.

    When we say God what do we mean; are our perceptions of God Biblical?

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    In my opinion. I look at question in a broad sense. Our white racial Israelite kinsmen were not allowed to read the bible some time ago. A lot of personal opinions from others who are privileged to read the bible. To me very important for holding out during this racial destruction along with institutional brain washing. I feel honored to respond to the question from whom even puts out effort to seek Yahweh.. I do not know the answer.

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    I find this link useful for the subject matter. I know the majority of Church's teach false doctrines, but they do teach some truths.

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    It seems to me 1 John 5:7 clearly proves the Trinity.

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    why not "the son of man"? spirit (of yahuwah) + man = new creation (the 2nd adam)?

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