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    THE SERPENT OF GENESIS 3

    In Genesis 3 we have neither allegory, myth, legend, nor fable, but literal historical facts set forth, and emphasized by the use of certain Figures of speech (see Ap. 6).

    All the confusion of thought and conflicting exegesis have arisen from taking literally what is expressed by Figures, or from taking figuratively what is literal. A Figure of speech is never used except for the purpose of calling attention to, emphasizing, and intensifying, the reality of the literal sense, and the truth of the historical facts; so that, while the words employed may not be so strictly true to the letter, they are all the more true to the truth conveyed by them, and to the historical events connected with them.

    But for the figurative language of verses 14 and 15 no one would have thought of referring the third chapter of Genesis to a snake : no more than he does when reading the third chapter from the end of Revelation (ch. 20:2). Indeed, the explanation added there, that the "old serpent" is the Devil and Satan, would immediately lead one to connect the word "old" with the earlier and former mention of the serpent in Gen. 3 : and the fact that it was Satan himself who tempted "the second man", "the last Adam", would force conclusion that no other than the personal Satan could have been the tempter of "the first man, Adam".

    The Hebrew word rendered "serpent" in Gen. 3:1 is Nachash (from the root Nachash, to shine), and means a shining one. Hence, in Chaldee it means brass or copper, because of its shining. Hence also, the word Nehushtan, a piece of brass, in 2Kings 18:4.

    In the same way Saraph, in Isa. 6:2, 6, means a burning one, and, because the serpents mentioned in Num. 21 were burning, in the poison of their bite, they were called Saraphim, or Saraphs.

    But with the LORD said unto Moses, "Make thee a fiery serpent" (Num. 21:8), He said, "Make thee a Saraph", and , in obeying this command, we read in v. 9, "Moses made a Nachash of brass". Nachash is thus used as being interchangeable with Saraph.

    Now, if Saraph is used of a serpent because its bite was burning, and is also used of a celestial or spirit-being (a burning one), why should not Nachash be used of a serpent because its appearance was shining, and be also used of a celestial or spirit-being (a shining one)?

    Indeed, a reference to the structure of Gen. 3 (on p. 7) will show that the Cherubim (which are similar celestial or spirit-beings) of the last verse (Gen. 3:24) require a similar spirit-being to correspond with them in the first verse (for the structure of the whole chapter is a great Introversion). The Nachash, or serpent, who beguiled Eve (2Cor. 11:3) is not spoken of as "an angel of light" in v. 14. Have we not, in this, a clear intimation that it was not a snake, but a glorious shining being, apparently as angel, to whom Eve paid such great deference, acknowledging him as one who seemed to possess superior knowledge, and who was evidently a being of a superior (not of an inferior) order? Moreover, in the description of Satan as "the king of Tyre" (*1) it is distinctly implied that the latter being was of a supernatural order when he is called "a cherub" (Ezek. 28:14, 16, read from vv. 11-19). His presence "in Eden, the garden of 'Elohim" (v. 13), is also clearly stated, as well as his being "perfect in beauty" (v. 12), his being "perfect in his ways from the day he was created till iniquity was found in him" (v. 15), and as being "lifted up because of his beauty" (v. 17).

    These all compel the belief that Satan was the shining one (Nachash) in Gen. 3, and especially because the following words could be addressed to him :-- "Thing heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness : I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee" (v. 17).

    Even supposing that these things were spoken to, and of, an exalted human being in later days (in Ezek. 28), still "the king of Tyre" is not compared to a being who was non-existent; and facts and circumstances which never happened are not introduced into the comparison.

    There is more about "the king of Tyre" in Ezek. 28:11-19 than was literally true of "the prince of Tyre" (vv. 1-10). The words can be understood only of the mightiest and most exalted supernatural being that God ever created; and this for the purpose of showing how great would be his fall. The history must be true to make the prophecy of any weight.

    Again, the word rendered "subtle" in Gen. 3:1 (see note) means wise, in a good sense as well as in a bad sense. In Ezek. 28:12 we have the good sense, "Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom"; and the bad sense in v. 17, "thou hast corrupted thy wisdom" (referring, of course, to his fall). So the word rendered "subtle" is rendered "prudent" in Prov. 1:4; 8:12; 12:23; 14:8; and in a bad sense in Job 15:5. 1Sam. 23:22. Ps. 83:3.

    The word "beast" also, in Gen. 3:1, chay, denotes a living being, and it is as wrong to translate zoa "beasts" in Rev. 4, as it is to translate chay "beast" in Gen. 3. Both mean living creature. Satan is thus spoken of as being "more wise than any other living creature which Jehovah Elohim had made". Even if the word "beast" be retained, it does not say that either a serpent or Satan was a "beast", but only that he was "more wise" than any other living being.

    We cannot conceive Eve as holding converse with a snake, but we can understand her being fascinated (*2) by one, apparently "an angel of light" (i.e. a glorious angel), possessing superior and supernatural knowledge.

    When Satan is spoken of as a "serpent", it is the figure Hypocatastasis (see Ap. 6) or Implication; it no more means snake than it does when Dan is so called in Gen. 49:17; or an animal when Nero is called a "lion" (2Tim. 4:17), or when Herod is called a "fox" (Luke 13:32); or when Judah is called "a lion's whelp". It is the same figure when "doctrine" is called "leaven" (Matt. 16:6). It shows that something much more real and truer to truth is impressively; and is intended to be a figure of something much more real than the letter of the word.

    Other Figures of speech are used in vv. 14, 15, but only for the same purpose of emphasizing the truth and the reality of what is said.

    When it is said in v. 15, "thou shalt bruise His heel", it cannot mean His literal heal of flesh and blood, but suffering, more temporary in character. When it is said (v. 15), "He shall crush thy head", it means something more than a skull of bone, and brain, and hair. It means that all Satan's plans and plots, policy and purposes, will one day be finally crushed and ended, never more to mar or to hinder the purposes of God. This will be effected when Satan shall be bruised under our feet (Rom. 16:20). This again, will not be our literal feet, but something much more real.

    The bruising of Christ's heel is the most eloquent and impressive way of foretelling the most solemn events; and to point out that the effort made by Satan to evade his doom, then threatened, would become the very means of insuring its accomplishment; for it was through the death of Christ that he who had the power of death would be destroyed; and all Satan's power and policy brought to an end, and all his works destroyed (Heb. 2:14. 1John 3:8. Rev. 20:1-3, 10). What literal words could portray these literal facts so wonderfully as these expressive Figures of speech?

    It is the same with the other Figures used in v. 14, "On thy belly shalt thou go". This Figure means infinitely more than the literal belly of flesh and blood; just as the words "heel" and "head" do in v. 15. It paints for the eyes of our mind the picture of Satan's ultimate humiliation; for prostration was ever the most eloquent sign of subjection. When it is said "our belly cleaveth unto the ground" (Ps. 44:25), it denotes such a prolonged prostration and such a depth of submission as could never be conveyed or expressed in literal words.

    So with the other prophecy, "Dust shalt thou eat". This is not true to the letter, or to fact, but it is all the more true to truth. It tells of constant, continuous disappointment, failure, and mortification; as when deceitful ways are spoken of as feeding on deceitful food, which is "sweet to a man, but afterward his mouth shall be filled with gravel" (Prov. 20:17). This does not mean literal "gravel", but something far more disagreeable. It means disappointment so great that it would gladly be exchanged for the literal "gravel". So when Christians are rebuked for "biting and devouring one another" (Gal. 3:14, 15), something more heart-breaking is meant than the literal words used in the Figure.

    When "His enemies shall lick the dust" (Ps. 72:9) they will not do it on their knees with their literal tongues; but they will be so prostrated and so utterly defeated, that no words could literally depict their overthrow and subjugation.

    If a serpent was afterward called a nachash, it was because it was more shining than any other creature; and if it became known as "wise", it was not because of its own innate positive knowledge, but of its wisdom in hiding away from all observation; and because of its association with one of the names of Satan (that old serpent) who "beguiled Eve" (2Cor. 11:3, 14).

    It is wonderful how a snake could ever be supposed to speak without the organs of speech, or that Satan should be supposed able to accomplish so great a miracle (*3).

    It only shows the power of tradition, which has, from the infancy of each one of us, put before our eyes and written on our minds the picture of a "snake" and an "apple" : the former being based on a wrong interpretation, and the latter being a pure invention, about which there is not one word said in Holy Scripture.

    Never was Satan's wisdom so craftily used as when he secured universal acceptance of this traditional belief : for it has succeeded in fixing the attention of mankind on the letter and the means, and thus blinding the eyes to the solemn fact that the Fall of man had to do solely with the Word of God, and is centered in the sin of believing Satan's lie instead of Jehovah's truth.

    The temptation of "the first man Adam" began with the question "Hath God said?" The temptation of "the second man, the Lord from heaven" began with the similar question "If thou be the Son of God", when the voice of the Father had scarcely died away, which said "This IS My beloved Son".

    All turned on the truth of what Jehovah had said.

    The Word of God being questioned, led Eve, in her reply, (1) to omit the word "freely" (3:2, cp. 2:16); then (2) to add the words "neither shalt thou touch it" (3:3, cp. 2:17); and finally (3) to alter a certainty into a contingency by changing "thou SHALT SURELY die" (2:17) into "LEST ye die" (3:3).

    It is not without significance that the first Ministerial words of "the second Man" were "It is written", three times repeated; and that His last Ministerial words contained a similar threefold reference to the written Word of God (John 17:8, 14, 17).

    The former temptation succeeded because the Word of God was three times misrepresented; the latter temptation was successfully defeated because the same Word was faithfully repeated.

    The history of Gen. 3 is intended to teach us the fact that Satan's sphere of activities is in the religious sphere, and not the spheres of crime and immorality; that his battlefield is not the sins arising from human depravity, but the unbelief of the human heart. We are not to look for Satan's activities to-day in the newspaper press, or the police courts; but in the pulpit, and in professors' chairs. Whenever the Word of God is called in question, there we see the trail of "that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan". This is why anything against the true interests of the Word of God (as being such) finds a ready admission into the newspapers of the world, and is treated as "general literature". This is why anything in favor of its inspiration and Divine origin and its spiritual truth is rigidly excluded as being "controversial".

    This is why Satan is quite content that the letter of Scripture should be accepted in Gen. 3, as he himself accepted the letter of Ps. 91:11. He himself could say "It is written" (Matt. 4:6) so long as the letter of what is "written" could be put instead of the truth that is conveyed by it; and so long as it is misquoted or misapplied.

    This is his object in perpetuating the traditions of the "snake" and the "apple", because it ministers to the acceptance of his lie, the hiding of God's truth, the support of tradition, the jeers of the infidel, the opposition of the critics, and the stumbling of the weak in faith.

    NOTES:

    (*1) Ezek. 28:11-19, who is quite a different being from "the Prince of Tyre", in vv. 1-10, who is purely human.

    (*2) It is remarkable that the verb nachash always means to enchant, fascinate, bewitch; or of one having and using occult knowledge. See Gen. 30:27; 44:5, 15. Lev. 19:26. Deut. 18:10. 1Kings 20:33. 2Kings 17:17; 21:6. 2Chron. 33:6. So also is the noun used in Num. 23:23; 24:1.

    (*3) Greater than that wrought by God Himself, who opened the mouth of Balaam's ass.

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    Re: Anointed Cherub That Covereth

    Here is my view on them in a short "nutshell".

    The Fallen Angels (Satan and the 1/3 that fell with him) started mating with Humans - creating literal GIANTS. They were also mixing animals and humans together - like the half men half beasts of Mythology (also mentioned in the Book of Jasher) - these Abominations WERE REAL! THE EVER-LIVING GOD destroyed all of these Abominations with the Flood of Noah (the offspring and Abominations - not the Fallen Angels and Satan, as they were not mortal), as HE wanted things (even races) kept PURE. The BIG SIN, which Satan and these Fallen Angels are behind is mixing the Adamite race (Whites) with other races and even animals - and this is going on now - with the mixing of people and animals - through "alien abductions" and "cattle mutilations" - they always seem to involve the abducted people's or cattle's "reproductive organs" - this is simply these Fallen Angels conducting their ABOMINATIONS once again. These Fallen Angels, according to Aleister Crowley (Google - Lam and Aleister Crowley) look like what we would call a "grey alien". It is even stated in the Bible that when Satan is revealed people will look at him with WONDER - wondering how this little thing could have caused such fear in the World!

    Here is a link that explains more about Lam and Aleister Crowley opening up a "portal" for Lam to come here through.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...nciareal07.htm

    Since we don't really know much detail about these Fallen Angels from the Bible, we can only speculate on some things. Were these Fallen Angels originally like this (grey aliens)? Probably not - we are told Satan was beautiful. His current status is probably a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD - a way for us to differentiate between GOOD and BAD Angels in the End Times. We know from the Bible that we are made in the "Image" or "Shadow" of THE EVER-LIVING GOD, so we Whites look like THE EVER-LIVING GOD. We can also assume from some texts that the Angels are beautiful Whites as well. I have told people before, when some "alien" comes and performs wonders, do NOT trust them if they do not look like us! I believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD gaves us this difference between the looks of Fallen Angels and GODLY Angels, so we would know, IF we were/are HIS, as we were made in HIS image (and the grey "look" of these Fallen Angels is also, I believe, a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD upon them).

    I am sure MANY will not agree with my "views" on this and that is fine, as I am confident on this from studying the Bible, Religious texts, etc. for many years regarding this subject.

    For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

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    Question Questions for People Who Believe the Jews Are Only the Spiritual Seed of Satan

    1. If the Jews are not a race but only a religion, why do so many of them exhibit the same physical characteristics, e.g. hooked nose, sloping forehead?

    2. How does somebody become a Jew, if one is not born a Jew? If one becomes a Jew by embracing Judaism, why do so many Jews who reject Judaism also reject Christianity and actively seek to destroy the white race?

    3. If Jews are only Jews spiritually, why do they bear such hatred for the white race? Wouldn't they and shouldn't they hate only white Christians?

    3. How do you account for Obadiah 18, which prophesies the future genocide of the Edomite race? Why would Yahweh want to wipe out an entire race if someone is only an Edomite spiritually? Or was He referring to just spiritual Edomites, and if so why didn't He make the distinction between spiritual Edomites and physical Edomites, who are the flesh and blood descendants of Esau?

    4. Who was the first spiritual Jew, and how did he get so many other people to become spiritual Jews?

    5. What is the difference between a spiritual Jew and somebody, say, a blond, blue-eyed white man, who rejects Christ, or is there no difference?

    6. Why does the Bible warn us about the Synagogue of Satan? If everyone who rejects Christ is a child of the Devil, why not warn us about anti-Christs in general? Why make the distinction? Also, how can someone who pretends to be a Jew not be a Jew anyway, if hating Christianity makes one a Jew spiritually?

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    Re: Some Questions for People Who Believe the Jews Are Only the Spiritual Seed of Sat

    Quote Originally Posted by Obadiah 1:18 View Post
    1. If the Jews are not a race but only a religion, why do so many of them exhibit the same physical characteristics, e.g. hooked nose, sloping forehead?

    2. How does somebody become a Jew, if one is not born a Jew? If one becomes a Jew by embracing Judaism, why do so many Jews who reject Judaism also reject Christianity and actively seek to destroy the white race?

    3. If Jews are only Jews spiritually, why do they bear such hatred for the white race? Wouldn't they and shouldn't they hate only white Christians?

    3. How do you account for Obadiah 18, which prophesies the future genocide of the Edomite race? Why would Yahweh want to wipe out an entire race if someone is only an Edomite spiritually? Or was He referring to just spiritual Edomites, and if so why didn't He make the distinction between spiritual Edomites and physical Edomites, who are the flesh and blood descendants of Esau?

    4. Who was the first spiritual Jew, and how did he get so many other people to become spiritual Jews?

    5. What is the difference between a spiritual Jew and somebody, say, a blond, blue-eyed white man, who rejects Christ, or is there no difference?

    6. Why does the Bible warn us about the Synagogue of Satan? If everyone who rejects Christ is a child of the Devil, why not warn us about anti-Christs in general? Why make the distinction? Also, how can someone who pretends to be a Jew not be a Jew anyway, if hating Christianity makes one a Jew spiritually?
    Personally I'm with you on this subject, Sephardic jews are literal Edomites. There are also those who convert, usually to marry a jew and if they reproduce then they are the same as the Edomites because they created a racial jew. I do have one interesting question, If a white person becomes a religious jew but later repents and turns back to YHWH can they be forgiven?

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    Solomon,you wrote: For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

    If God is omnipresent why would he NEED to travel in a UFO???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon View Post
    Here is my view on them in a short "nutshell".

    The Fallen Angels (Satan and the 1/3 that fell with him) started mating with Humans - creating literal GIANTS. They were also mixing animals and humans together - like the half men half beasts of Mythology (also mentioned in the Book of Jasher) - these Abominations WERE REAL! THE EVER-LIVING GOD destroyed all of these Abominations with the Flood of Noah (the offspring and Abominations - not the Fallen Angels and Satan, as they were not mortal), as HE wanted things (even races) kept PURE. The BIG SIN, which Satan and these Fallen Angels are behind is mixing the Adamite race (Whites) with other races and even animals - and this is going on now - with the mixing of people and animals - through "alien abductions" and "cattle mutilations" - they always seem to involve the abducted people's or cattle's "reproductive organs" - this is simply these Fallen Angels conducting their ABOMINATIONS once again. These Fallen Angels, according to Aleister Crowley (Google - Lam and Aleister Crowley) look like what we would call a "grey alien". It is even stated in the Bible that when Satan is revealed people will look at him with WONDER - wondering how this little thing could have caused such fear in the World!

    Here is a link that explains more about Lam and Aleister Crowley opening up a "portal" for Lam to come here through.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...nciareal07.htm

    Since we don't really know much detail about these Fallen Angels from the Bible, we can only speculate on some things. Were these Fallen Angels originally like this (grey aliens)? Probably not - we are told Satan was beautiful. His current status is probably a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD - a way for us to differentiate between GOOD and BAD Angels in the End Times. We know from the Bible that we are made in the "Image" or "Shadow" of THE EVER-LIVING GOD, so we Whites look like THE EVER-LIVING GOD. We can also assume from some texts that the Angels are beautiful Whites as well. I have told people before, when some "alien" comes and performs wonders, do NOT trust them if they do not look like us! I believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD gaves us this difference between the looks of Fallen Angels and GODLY Angels, so we would know, IF we were/are HIS, as we were made in HIS image (and the grey "look" of these Fallen Angels is also, I believe, a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD upon them).

    I am sure MANY will not agree with my "views" on this and that is fine, as I am confident on this from studying the Bible, Religious texts, etc. for many years regarding this subject.

    For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

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    Solomon,you wrote: For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

    If God is omnipresent why would he NEED to travel in a UFO???

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    WE BELIEVE in YHVH the one and only true and living eternal God (Isa. 44:6); the God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Exo. 3:14-16), the Creator of all things (1 Cor. 8:6) who is omnipotent, omnipresent, unchangeable and all-knowing; the Great I Am who is manifested in three beings: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all one God (Deut. 6:4).

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachi83 View Post
    If God is omnipresent why would he NEED to travel in a UFO???
    No doubt Yahweh is omnipresent, I was referring to the "highly polished bronze" of Ezekiel's vision that confuses many.

    In the Bible, in Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel reported seeing a vision of a "living beings" flying from a center of a gigantic storm cloud. Some interpret his description of this entity or entities and how it moves as a flying aircraft, e.g. it has wheels beneath it such that "when the living beings moved, the wheels moved. When the living beings stopped, the wheels stopped. When the living beings flew in the air, the wheels rose up" (Ezekiel 1:21) and "There was a surface spread out above them like the sky. It sparkled like crystal. Beneath this surface the wings of each living being stretched out to touch the others' wings...As they flew their wings roared like waves crashing against the shore" (Ezekiel 1:22-23).

    There’s no flying object unidentifiable to Yahweh, only man.

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    http://www.israelect.com/reference/W...s/62-02-18.htm - The Government---The Bible and Flying Saucers

    UFO's are an interesting topic..

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    Re: Anointed Cherub That Covereth

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnaghi View Post
    The only reason a person would teach the devil is not real is to protect him.
    That is my position as well, Christians who don't think that there is a real Satan, out there right now looking to destroy YHWH's children have been lulled into a false sense of security which will leave them powerless against the wiles of the evil one.

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