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02-23-2010, 06:57 AM
by Crazymaneh (Posted Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:49:33 +0000)
One day i was threatened by someone who thinks they are babylon.Read on to see how this deals with satan and the anointed cherubim.

It is prophesied that Elijah must first come before the end will be. Jesus said in the new testament "but Elijah has already come." The reason for this is the famine which was expected before because of the comet passing the face of orion and the frigidity of scorpio causing the freeze and heat that kills the life of the plants. It probably wont be in our time. This is what the mayan calendar deals with and other prophecies. Jesus's return deals directly with that and the coming antichrist who deals Gods kindgom a hefty wound. It was written in the old testament where Solomon and a sect were at odds with each other and Solomon said if the comet passes the face of orion then the frigidity of scorpio will cause life to be extinct. But his enemies said "but we see that this is so." and Solomon said "of the paths of heaven i know all, but of the comet i know nothing." the only thing that alludes to this is where it says in revelation that near the final end the flesh of all men great small poor and rich are feasted on by the birds. Im getting most of the information from the King James Version Bible. This is what deals with the 2012 stuff but it is a lie straight from the antichrist.

In Isiah dealing with the start of the end, Lucifer is mentioned as the destroyer of all the nations cities of all the world when he says he will arise to the mount of the congregation and be above the stars of God. In history the only account of all this is when in Revelation chapter sixteen all the cities of the nations are destroyed and shortly after babylon is judged, just as it is in correlation of the events unfolding just as described in Isiah. Chapter twelve or fourteen in Isiah. Where also shortly after babylon is judged. Now the only way for God to have stated he was going to be here to take the mount is if it would be true he is also here, because of lucifer saying he would ascend to the mount of the congregation. But what everyone doesnt want you to know is the little known bible verse in Habbakkuk 3:3. Habbakkuk 3:3 says "God came from Teman, and The Holy One from Paran, Selah." The Holy One is Melhcizedek. If you look in Genesis after the slaughter of the kings where Abraham defeated the kings of sodom, etc., Melchizedek came from Mount Paran and blessed him at the tents. In Hebrews chapter seven Melchizedek is said of Paul to have no beginning of life nor end of days but was made like the son of man. To be made like someone you must first be made. The point im getting to is in Teman they taught advanced sciences. Habbakkuk explains the ordeal at the time of the flood. Teman was a city in Edom Which was part of Judah. Which is now Jordan. In Habbakkuk It says "God came from Teman and the Holy One from Paran, Selah." "And flames were in his hand," "and his power was hidden." "his brightness filled the heavens and the earth was full of his praise." "pestilence was before him and fever followed his heals." "He stood and measured the earth." "the deep uttered its voice and lifted its hands on high." This is referring to the time of the flood where because of plague going across the land God went to the mediteranean which is where Africa and Europe were joined together and He used the principles of frequency with mass and resonance in their own principles with something that some people might think of something like now called the Tesla Oscillator also known as the earthquake machine but it deals with geo frequency. Mythbusters on discovery channel proved it to be a myth but they didnt use any of the science behind it. What it does is use the laws or prinicples governing mass with frequency in a way that makes objects break down because of the objects losing touch with the principles that govern that body of mass. So God used his device and the mountains gave way and all the atlantic rushed into the planes of the middle east. Recently IBM actually changed the electronic signature of atoms and electrons in them. That is where nano technology is coming from. Anyway if you read on in Habbakkuk He says he saw his chariots come out of the face of the waters and his horses. It also says the nations were angry at him and "horns were in his hands." Anytime it describes a beast or nation in the Bible it describes the horns of the nations being kings like the "little horn" in Daniel that is called the antichrist. The Revelation is analogous as well as literal in the sense of the span of time it mentions. The Dragon was the root philosophy of evil in man since the beginning. Then it describes the beast and then the lamblike beast which speaks like a dragon. The dragon is made up of the same horns that make up the beast itself with the same number of heads. If you take this into account on the geo political cycle the dragon "evolves" in mans "philosophy on evil" to be more subtle even becoming the lamblike beast that with the same little horn each time Becoming the part of the lamblike beast that speaks like a dragon, also being the beast. So its a political cycle that evolves with man because of the evil kings that rule the world. And each subsequent beast or nations give power to the later ones to be worshipped or at least the kings at their heads. But lucifer is not Satan. Satan is a king that comes to power at the end of the world and before who is a woman because she was sired by a group of evil people. Sired means blood bonding and it was a complete one. Lucifer was a bishop who gained power between three hundred and four hundred a.d. while there was a division in the roman peoples nations culture concerning traditionalist and aryan catholics. I guess he was a rascist also. Lucifer is not the creature. The creature is clearly stated to burn forever and is a cherubim as mentioned in ezekiel while lucifer is said not to rise with the rest of the kings as mentioned in isiah also as he is put to the sword before babylon dies shortly before and satan continues his scheme. The egyptian is not the antichrist for the way things appear to be although there may be a covenant between him and someone. Because it states he looks up from the pit and says "for i have caused my terror in the land of the living." and isnt the creature from the pit although he may be joined to him. The comet is the reason the agyptian gets so powerful with the EU. Because paul writes about the creature from the bottomless pit in a different writing. There are two accounts of creation of beasts in the king james version bible (not the nkjv) which are not contradictory although they are stated on different days. You can find them by reading the first two chapters then reading the account of the creation of man. The first account of the beasts is when the cherubim were i think. But The term second death means second death. The death of the resurrected body which is why it says lucifer wouldnt rise again with the other kings. If you put chapter twelve of revelation and set it beside the first chapters before that they correlate to each other and you see how the creature from the bottomless pit is not the beast king if you know what happens to egypt. It may also deal with the illuminati being taken down as they are growing and may have lucifer as a king cutthroat. You can google all of this though that i wrote. I read all the visions in habbakkuk.

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seedliner
02-26-2010, 02:42 PM
Satan is very literal.

There are many false prophets within Christian Identity that like pushing "no-Satan" garbage.

Be on guard!

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03-18-2010, 07:47 AM
If, as mainstream churches contend, the serpent in the Garden of Eden really was transformed by Yahweh into a slithering, dust-eating snake as...

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03-27-2010, 07:51 AM
http://www.666blacksun.com/Main.html

Although I am not a follower of any religion, it is quite interesting.


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SaxonJackson
03-27-2010, 01:27 PM
Nonsense!!

Gabriel
04-06-2010, 12:55 PM
I agree - these WN "Joy Of Satan" types are an outright embarrassment.

VNNF is replete with 'em.

seedliner
04-06-2010, 06:33 PM
lol @ Joy of Satan (http://www.joyofsatan.com/).

There's nothing joyous about toasting in Hell.

Gnaghi
04-09-2010, 11:22 AM
The only reason a person would teach the devil is not real is to protect him.

Gnaghi
05-10-2010, 10:15 AM
Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

Gabriel
05-10-2010, 10:03 PM
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The Origins of Satan
by Fra. Anastasius 217

Satan is a complex figure who is popularly taken as the personification of evil which opposes Gods’ work both on a cosmic level and upon earth by inspiring human beings to work in opposition to Gods’ divine plan. Satan as a distinct figure has emerged from early Christian writings which are, in turn, based on ancient Hebraic texts. Whilst Satan is originally an agent of God, rather than an opposing power, he becomes more important and malevolent as the mythology is appropriated, firstly by dissident Jewish sects, and later, by early Christian authors.

Satan as God’s Messenger

As he first appears in the Hebrew Bible, Satan is not necessarily evil, much less opposed to God. He appears in both the book of Numbers and in Job as one of God’s obedient servants - a messenger or angel - a word that translates the Hebrew term for messenger (mal’ak) into Greek (angelos). In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role - it is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers occasionally introduced a supernatural character which they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity. The root stn means "one who opposes, obstructs or acts as adversary." The Greek diablos (later translated as devil) literally means "one who throws something across one’s path." Hebrew storytellers often attribute misfortune to human sin. Some however, also invoke this supernatural character, the satan, who by God’s own order or permission, blocks or opposes human plans and desires. But this messenger is not necessarily malevolent. In the story of Balaam (Numbers) God sends a supernatural messenger, taking on the role of the satan to prevent Balaam from disobeying God. In the Book of Job, it is the satan (who is described as one of the Beni Elohim - sons of God) who challenges God to put Job to the test. The Lord agrees, authorizing the satan to afflict Job. Here, the satan terrifies and harms a person, but remains an angel, a member of the heavenly court.

Around the time that Job was written (c. 550 B.C.E) however, other biblical writers invoked the satan to account for division within Israel. The author of 1 Chronicles suggests that it was the satan who incited King David to introduce census taking - and taxation into Israel, which aroused vehement and immediate opposition. The prophet Zachariah also depicted the satan inciting factions within Israel. Some 4 centuries later in 168 B.C.E., when Jews regained their independence from their Seleucid rulers, internal conflict became more acute. For centuries, Jews had been pressured to assimilate to the ways of the foreign nations that had ruled them. These pressures reached breaking point in 168 B.C.E., when the Seleucid ruler, Antiochus Epiphanes decided to eradicate every trace of the Jews’ "barbaric" culture. As told in 1 Maccabees, some Israelites determined to resist the foreign king battled on two fronts - not only against the occupiers, but also against those Jews who were inclined towards assimilation. The latter, the "Hellenizing Jews" were seen as traitors to God and Israel alike. In the decades that followed the Maccabean revolt, extreme dissident groups, bent on separating Israel from all foreign influences gained strength. These dissidents began increasingly to invoke the satan to characterize their Jewish opponents - accusing them of having been seduced by the power of evil (Satan, Beelzebub, Azazel, Belial, etc.) These dissidents also borrowed stories, and wrote their own, telling how angelic powers, swollen with lust or arrogance, fell from heaven into sin. As Satan became an increasingly important and personified figure, so stories about his origin proliferated.

The early stories of the origin of Satan characterize him as an intimate enemy - a trusted colleague or brother upon whose loyalty the well-being of family & society depend - but whom becomes unexpectedly hostile and jealous. Those who asked "How could God’s own angel become his enemy?" were asking, in effect, "How could one of us become one of them?"

The Enemy Within

This idea of Satan as the intimate enemy - the source of challenge and conflict from within a community of believers was to become a central theme in early Christian belief.

It was the sect known as the Essenes who placed the cosmic battle between angels and demons, God and Satan, at the centre of both their cosmology and politics. They saw the foreign occupation of Palestine - and the accommodation of the majority of Jews to that occupation - as evidence that the forces of evil ruled the world - and, in the form of Satan or Mastema, had infiltrated God’s chosen people, turning most of them into allies of the Evil One. Thus the war in heaven was also taking place on earth, with the Essenes casting themselves as the ‘Sons of Light’ against the ‘Sons of Darkness’. The Essenes were influenced by apocryphal texts such as The Book of the Watchers, which introduced the idea of a division in Heaven. The author combines 2 stories, describing how Semihazah, leader of the Watchers, coerced 200 other angels in violating divine order by mating with human women - producing the nephilim (fallen ones) and demonic spirits who brought violence to the earth. It is also described how Azazel sinned by giving humans the secrets of metallurgy, that inspired men to make weapons and women to adorn themselves with gold, silver and cosmetics. These stories offer a paradigm which is not restricted to one historical situation, but which can be applied whenever an analogous situation arises. The author of Watchers places moral identity at the forefront of the question of who is God’s chosen people. Thus it is not enough just to be a Jew - one must also be a Jew who acts morally. If angels could fall from grace, how much easier it will be for humans to be seduced by immorality?

Satan v Jesus

The first Christian gospel, attributed to Mark, was written during the last year of the rebellion against Rome, as chronicled by Josephus. Mark describes how the spirit of God descends on Jesus at his baptism, driving him into the wilderness, where he is tempted by Satan. Even after his return from the wilderness, the powers of evil continue to attack him. Jesus’ execution is the culmination of the struggle between God and Satan that began at his baptism. But his death is not a final defeat, but actually heralds God’s ultimate victory. The cosmic war serves primarily to interpret human relationships in supernatural form. The figure of Satan becomes a way of characterizing the enemy as the embodiment of transcendent forces.

Luke, the only Gentile author among the gospel writers, makes explicit the connection between Jesus’ Jewish enemies and the "evil one." Luke also states that Satan "entered into Judas Iscariot" who went and conferred with the chief priest to arrange the betrayal of Jesus. Luke’s Gospel provides many details that contribute to the later Christian perception that Pontius Pilate was a well-meaning weakling and that it was the Jews who were ultimately responsible for Jesus’ death.

In the Gospel according to John, the accusation against Jesus’ intimate enemies - his fellow Jews is reiterated. When Jesus predicts his crucifixion, he declares that instead of showing a judgement against him, it shows God’s judgement against "this world"; instead of destroying Jesus, it will destroy the diabolic "ruler of the world" (John 12:31-32). John likewise terms the Jews as "Satan’s Allies."

Christians v Pagans

Between 70 and 100 C.E., the Christian movement became largely Gentile. As earlier Christians had claimed to see Satan among their fellow Jews, the new Gentile converts now saw Satan and his demonic allies at work in other Gentiles. Many converts found that they were threatened not by Jews but by pagans - Roman officers and city mobs who feared that Christian "atheism" could bring the wrath of the gods down on whole communities. One follower of Paul, in a letter attributed to him called the Letter to the Ephesians, writes:

Our contest is not against flesh and blood but against powers, against principalities, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places (6:12).

This sense of spiritual warfare was felt by many Christians facing persecution for their beliefs. The Gentile converts believed that worshipers of the pagan gods were driven by Satan to attack God’s people. The movement which was rejected by the majority of Jews, whom it repudiated in turn, now appealed to people of every tribe and nation to break all former bonds of kinship and affiliation. For Christians, there were only two kinds of people - those who belong to God’s kingdom (Heb. 12:22-24;13-14) and those who were ruled by Satan. Not only did Christians teach converts that these bonds were not sacred, but that they were of a diabolic character.

Heretics

The apostle Paul, when confronted by rival teachers, dismissed them as Satan’s servants:

Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his servants disguise themselves as servants of righteousness (2 Cor. 11:13-15).

Christians dreaded Satan’s attacks from outside - from hostile pagans - but many of them believed that even more dangerous were Satan’s forays among the most intimate enemies of all - other Christians, or, as most said of those with whom they disagreed, among heretics.

Around 180 C.E., Irenaeus wrote a massive attack on deviant Christians - calling them heretics and "servants of Satan." This enormously influential work, titled Against Heresies, states that false believers use the name of Christ only as a "lure" in order to teach doctrines inspired by Satan and are themselves driven by lusts of the flesh. The Greek word ‘heresy’ (from hairesis) literally means ‘choice’. Irenaeus, and his followers such as Tertullian insist that making such a choice is evil, since choice destroys unity. For Tertullian, asking questions and discussion is in itself suspect as the true Christian should have faith alone.

Conclusions

So powerful is the vision of cosmic struggle that Christians have used it time and time again over the last two thousand years to interpret opposition and persecution - against "pagans", "heretics", unbelievers and atheists. Even among non-Christians, there is a tendency to portray social and political movements as being forces of good arrayed against the forces of evil. Anything which is seen as in opposition to the beliefs of an individual can be castigated with the label ‘Satanic’ - as has been the case in the twentieth century with Rock Music, Communism, and The United States of America. Satan not only represents the enemy without - but also the enemy within - and in the latter is seen as more dangerous and diabolic.

Solomon
05-22-2010, 12:29 PM
THE SERPENT OF GENESIS 3

In Genesis 3 we have neither allegory, myth, legend, nor fable, but literal historical facts set forth, and emphasized by the use of certain Figures of speech (see Ap. 6).

All the confusion of thought and conflicting exegesis have arisen from taking literally what is expressed by Figures, or from taking figuratively what is literal. A Figure of speech is never used except for the purpose of calling attention to, emphasizing, and intensifying, the reality of the literal sense, and the truth of the historical facts; so that, while the words employed may not be so strictly true to the letter, they are all the more true to the truth conveyed by them, and to the historical events connected with them.

But for the figurative language of verses 14 and 15 no one would have thought of referring the third chapter of Genesis to a snake : no more than he does when reading the third chapter from the end of Revelation (ch. 20:2). Indeed, the explanation added there, that the "old serpent" is the Devil and Satan, would immediately lead one to connect the word "old" with the earlier and former mention of the serpent in Gen. 3 : and the fact that it was Satan himself who tempted "the second man", "the last Adam", would force conclusion that no other than the personal Satan could have been the tempter of "the first man, Adam".

The Hebrew word rendered "serpent" in Gen. 3:1 is Nachash (from the root Nachash, to shine), and means a shining one. Hence, in Chaldee it means brass or copper, because of its shining. Hence also, the word Nehushtan, a piece of brass, in 2Kings 18:4.

In the same way Saraph, in Isa. 6:2, 6, means a burning one, and, because the serpents mentioned in Num. 21 were burning, in the poison of their bite, they were called Saraphim, or Saraphs.

But with the LORD said unto Moses, "Make thee a fiery serpent" (Num. 21:8), He said, "Make thee a Saraph", and , in obeying this command, we read in v. 9, "Moses made a Nachash of brass". Nachash is thus used as being interchangeable with Saraph.

Now, if Saraph is used of a serpent because its bite was burning, and is also used of a celestial or spirit-being (a burning one), why should not Nachash be used of a serpent because its appearance was shining, and be also used of a celestial or spirit-being (a shining one)?

Indeed, a reference to the structure of Gen. 3 (on p. 7) will show that the Cherubim (which are similar celestial or spirit-beings) of the last verse (Gen. 3:24) require a similar spirit-being to correspond with them in the first verse (for the structure of the whole chapter is a great Introversion). The Nachash, or serpent, who beguiled Eve (2Cor. 11:3) is not spoken of as "an angel of light" in v. 14. Have we not, in this, a clear intimation that it was not a snake, but a glorious shining being, apparently as angel, to whom Eve paid such great deference, acknowledging him as one who seemed to possess superior knowledge, and who was evidently a being of a superior (not of an inferior) order? Moreover, in the description of Satan as "the king of Tyre" (*1) it is distinctly implied that the latter being was of a supernatural order when he is called "a cherub" (Ezek. 28:14, 16, read from vv. 11-19). His presence "in Eden, the garden of 'Elohim" (v. 13), is also clearly stated, as well as his being "perfect in beauty" (v. 12), his being "perfect in his ways from the day he was created till iniquity was found in him" (v. 15), and as being "lifted up because of his beauty" (v. 17).

These all compel the belief that Satan was the shining one (Nachash) in Gen. 3, and especially because the following words could be addressed to him :-- "Thing heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness : I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee" (v. 17).

Even supposing that these things were spoken to, and of, an exalted human being in later days (in Ezek. 28), still "the king of Tyre" is not compared to a being who was non-existent; and facts and circumstances which never happened are not introduced into the comparison.

There is more about "the king of Tyre" in Ezek. 28:11-19 than was literally true of "the prince of Tyre" (vv. 1-10). The words can be understood only of the mightiest and most exalted supernatural being that God ever created; and this for the purpose of showing how great would be his fall. The history must be true to make the prophecy of any weight.

Again, the word rendered "subtle" in Gen. 3:1 (see note) means wise, in a good sense as well as in a bad sense. In Ezek. 28:12 we have the good sense, "Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom"; and the bad sense in v. 17, "thou hast corrupted thy wisdom" (referring, of course, to his fall). So the word rendered "subtle" is rendered "prudent" in Prov. 1:4; 8:12; 12:23; 14:8; and in a bad sense in Job 15:5. 1Sam. 23:22. Ps. 83:3.

The word "beast" also, in Gen. 3:1, chay, denotes a living being, and it is as wrong to translate zoa "beasts" in Rev. 4, as it is to translate chay "beast" in Gen. 3. Both mean living creature. Satan is thus spoken of as being "more wise than any other living creature which Jehovah Elohim had made". Even if the word "beast" be retained, it does not say that either a serpent or Satan was a "beast", but only that he was "more wise" than any other living being.

We cannot conceive Eve as holding converse with a snake, but we can understand her being fascinated (*2) by one, apparently "an angel of light" (i.e. a glorious angel), possessing superior and supernatural knowledge.

When Satan is spoken of as a "serpent", it is the figure Hypocatastasis (see Ap. 6) or Implication; it no more means snake than it does when Dan is so called in Gen. 49:17; or an animal when Nero is called a "lion" (2Tim. 4:17), or when Herod is called a "fox" (Luke 13:32); or when Judah is called "a lion's whelp". It is the same figure when "doctrine" is called "leaven" (Matt. 16:6). It shows that something much more real and truer to truth is impressively; and is intended to be a figure of something much more real than the letter of the word.

Other Figures of speech are used in vv. 14, 15, but only for the same purpose of emphasizing the truth and the reality of what is said.

When it is said in v. 15, "thou shalt bruise His heel", it cannot mean His literal heal of flesh and blood, but suffering, more temporary in character. When it is said (v. 15), "He shall crush thy head", it means something more than a skull of bone, and brain, and hair. It means that all Satan's plans and plots, policy and purposes, will one day be finally crushed and ended, never more to mar or to hinder the purposes of God. This will be effected when Satan shall be bruised under our feet (Rom. 16:20). This again, will not be our literal feet, but something much more real.

The bruising of Christ's heel is the most eloquent and impressive way of foretelling the most solemn events; and to point out that the effort made by Satan to evade his doom, then threatened, would become the very means of insuring its accomplishment; for it was through the death of Christ that he who had the power of death would be destroyed; and all Satan's power and policy brought to an end, and all his works destroyed (Heb. 2:14. 1John 3:8. Rev. 20:1-3, 10). What literal words could portray these literal facts so wonderfully as these expressive Figures of speech?

It is the same with the other Figures used in v. 14, "On thy belly shalt thou go". This Figure means infinitely more than the literal belly of flesh and blood; just as the words "heel" and "head" do in v. 15. It paints for the eyes of our mind the picture of Satan's ultimate humiliation; for prostration was ever the most eloquent sign of subjection. When it is said "our belly cleaveth unto the ground" (Ps. 44:25), it denotes such a prolonged prostration and such a depth of submission as could never be conveyed or expressed in literal words.

So with the other prophecy, "Dust shalt thou eat". This is not true to the letter, or to fact, but it is all the more true to truth. It tells of constant, continuous disappointment, failure, and mortification; as when deceitful ways are spoken of as feeding on deceitful food, which is "sweet to a man, but afterward his mouth shall be filled with gravel" (Prov. 20:17). This does not mean literal "gravel", but something far more disagreeable. It means disappointment so great that it would gladly be exchanged for the literal "gravel". So when Christians are rebuked for "biting and devouring one another" (Gal. 3:14, 15), something more heart-breaking is meant than the literal words used in the Figure.

When "His enemies shall lick the dust" (Ps. 72:9) they will not do it on their knees with their literal tongues; but they will be so prostrated and so utterly defeated, that no words could literally depict their overthrow and subjugation.

If a serpent was afterward called a nachash, it was because it was more shining than any other creature; and if it became known as "wise", it was not because of its own innate positive knowledge, but of its wisdom in hiding away from all observation; and because of its association with one of the names of Satan (that old serpent) who "beguiled Eve" (2Cor. 11:3, 14).

It is wonderful how a snake could ever be supposed to speak without the organs of speech, or that Satan should be supposed able to accomplish so great a miracle (*3).

It only shows the power of tradition, which has, from the infancy of each one of us, put before our eyes and written on our minds the picture of a "snake" and an "apple" : the former being based on a wrong interpretation, and the latter being a pure invention, about which there is not one word said in Holy Scripture.

Never was Satan's wisdom so craftily used as when he secured universal acceptance of this traditional belief : for it has succeeded in fixing the attention of mankind on the letter and the means, and thus blinding the eyes to the solemn fact that the Fall of man had to do solely with the Word of God, and is centered in the sin of believing Satan's lie instead of Jehovah's truth.

The temptation of "the first man Adam" began with the question "Hath God said?" The temptation of "the second man, the Lord from heaven" began with the similar question "If thou be the Son of God", when the voice of the Father had scarcely died away, which said "This IS My beloved Son".

All turned on the truth of what Jehovah had said.

The Word of God being questioned, led Eve, in her reply, (1) to omit the word "freely" (3:2, cp. 2:16); then (2) to add the words "neither shalt thou touch it" (3:3, cp. 2:17); and finally (3) to alter a certainty into a contingency by changing "thou SHALT SURELY die" (2:17) into "LEST ye die" (3:3).

It is not without significance that the first Ministerial words of "the second Man" were "It is written", three times repeated; and that His last Ministerial words contained a similar threefold reference to the written Word of God (John 17:8, 14, 17).

The former temptation succeeded because the Word of God was three times misrepresented; the latter temptation was successfully defeated because the same Word was faithfully repeated.

The history of Gen. 3 is intended to teach us the fact that Satan's sphere of activities is in the religious sphere, and not the spheres of crime and immorality; that his battlefield is not the sins arising from human depravity, but the unbelief of the human heart. We are not to look for Satan's activities to-day in the newspaper press, or the police courts; but in the pulpit, and in professors' chairs. Whenever the Word of God is called in question, there we see the trail of "that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan". This is why anything against the true interests of the Word of God (as being such) finds a ready admission into the newspapers of the world, and is treated as "general literature". This is why anything in favor of its inspiration and Divine origin and its spiritual truth is rigidly excluded as being "controversial".

This is why Satan is quite content that the letter of Scripture should be accepted in Gen. 3, as he himself accepted the letter of Ps. 91:11. He himself could say "It is written" (Matt. 4:6) so long as the letter of what is "written" could be put instead of the truth that is conveyed by it; and so long as it is misquoted or misapplied.

This is his object in perpetuating the traditions of the "snake" and the "apple", because it ministers to the acceptance of his lie, the hiding of God's truth, the support of tradition, the jeers of the infidel, the opposition of the critics, and the stumbling of the weak in faith.

NOTES:

(*1) Ezek. 28:11-19, who is quite a different being from "the Prince of Tyre", in vv. 1-10, who is purely human.

(*2) It is remarkable that the verb nachash always means to enchant, fascinate, bewitch; or of one having and using occult knowledge. See Gen. 30:27; 44:5, 15. Lev. 19:26. Deut. 18:10. 1Kings 20:33. 2Kings 17:17; 21:6. 2Chron. 33:6. So also is the noun used in Num. 23:23; 24:1.

(*3) Greater than that wrought by God Himself, who opened the mouth of Balaam's ass.

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Solomon
05-22-2010, 12:38 PM
Here is my view on them in a short "nutshell".

The Fallen Angels (Satan and the 1/3 that fell with him) started mating with Humans - creating literal GIANTS. They were also mixing animals and humans together - like the half men half beasts of Mythology (also mentioned in the Book of Jasher) - these Abominations WERE REAL! THE EVER-LIVING GOD destroyed all of these Abominations with the Flood of Noah (the offspring and Abominations - not the Fallen Angels and Satan, as they were not mortal), as HE wanted things (even races) kept PURE. The BIG SIN, which Satan and these Fallen Angels are behind is mixing the Adamite race (Whites) with other races and even animals - and this is going on now - with the mixing of people and animals - through "alien abductions" and "cattle mutilations" - they always seem to involve the abducted people's or cattle's "reproductive organs" - this is simply these Fallen Angels conducting their ABOMINATIONS once again. These Fallen Angels, according to Aleister Crowley (Google - Lam and Aleister Crowley) look like what we would call a "grey alien". It is even stated in the Bible that when Satan is revealed people will look at him with WONDER - wondering how this little thing could have caused such fear in the World!

Here is a link that explains more about Lam and Aleister Crowley opening up a "portal" for Lam to come here through.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal07.htm

Since we don't really know much detail about these Fallen Angels from the Bible, we can only speculate on some things. Were these Fallen Angels originally like this (grey aliens)? Probably not - we are told Satan was beautiful. His current status is probably a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD - a way for us to differentiate between GOOD and BAD Angels in the End Times. We know from the Bible that we are made in the "Image" or "Shadow" of THE EVER-LIVING GOD, so we Whites look like THE EVER-LIVING GOD. We can also assume from some texts that the Angels are beautiful Whites as well. I have told people before, when some "alien" comes and performs wonders, do NOT trust them if they do not look like us! I believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD gaves us this difference between the looks of Fallen Angels and GODLY Angels, so we would know, IF we were/are HIS, as we were made in HIS image (and the grey "look" of these Fallen Angels is also, I believe, a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD upon them).

I am sure MANY will not agree with my "views" on this and that is fine, as I am confident on this from studying the Bible, Religious texts, etc. for many years regarding this subject.

For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

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Obadiah 1:18
05-25-2010, 12:12 AM
1. If the Jews are not a race but only a religion, why do so many of them exhibit the same physical characteristics, e.g. hooked nose, sloping forehead?

2. How does somebody become a Jew, if one is not born a Jew? If one becomes a Jew by embracing Judaism, why do so many Jews who reject Judaism also reject Christianity and actively seek to destroy the white race?

3. If Jews are only Jews spiritually, why do they bear such hatred for the white race? Wouldn't they and shouldn't they hate only white Christians?

3. How do you account for Obadiah 18, which prophesies the future genocide of the Edomite race? Why would Yahweh want to wipe out an entire race if someone is only an Edomite spiritually? Or was He referring to just spiritual Edomites, and if so why didn't He make the distinction between spiritual Edomites and physical Edomites, who are the flesh and blood descendants of Esau?

4. Who was the first spiritual Jew, and how did he get so many other people to become spiritual Jews?

5. What is the difference between a spiritual Jew and somebody, say, a blond, blue-eyed white man, who rejects Christ, or is there no difference?

6. Why does the Bible warn us about the Synagogue of Satan? If everyone who rejects Christ is a child of the Devil, why not warn us about anti-Christs in general? Why make the distinction? Also, how can someone who pretends to be a Jew not be a Jew anyway, if hating Christianity makes one a Jew spiritually?

Pastor Bill
05-25-2010, 10:49 AM
1. If the Jews are not a race but only a religion, why do so many of them exhibit the same physical characteristics, e.g. hooked nose, sloping forehead?

2. How does somebody become a Jew, if one is not born a Jew? If one becomes a Jew by embracing Judaism, why do so many Jews who reject Judaism also reject Christianity and actively seek to destroy the white race?

3. If Jews are only Jews spiritually, why do they bear such hatred for the white race? Wouldn't they and shouldn't they hate only white Christians?

3. How do you account for Obadiah 18, which prophesies the future genocide of the Edomite race? Why would Yahweh want to wipe out an entire race if someone is only an Edomite spiritually? Or was He referring to just spiritual Edomites, and if so why didn't He make the distinction between spiritual Edomites and physical Edomites, who are the flesh and blood descendants of Esau?

4. Who was the first spiritual Jew, and how did he get so many other people to become spiritual Jews?

5. What is the difference between a spiritual Jew and somebody, say, a blond, blue-eyed white man, who rejects Christ, or is there no difference?

6. Why does the Bible warn us about the Synagogue of Satan? If everyone who rejects Christ is a child of the Devil, why not warn us about anti-Christs in general? Why make the distinction? Also, how can someone who pretends to be a Jew not be a Jew anyway, if hating Christianity makes one a Jew spiritually?

Personally I'm with you on this subject, Sephardic jews are literal Edomites. There are also those who convert, usually to marry a jew and if they reproduce then they are the same as the Edomites because they created a racial jew. I do have one interesting question, If a white person becomes a religious jew but later repents and turns back to YHWH can they be forgiven?

seedliner
05-25-2010, 11:05 AM
Further reading on this subject...

Jewish Versus Caucasian Haplotypes, by William Finck (http://anglo-saxonisrael.com/site/BIWF)

Who Were the Judeans? By Mike Green (http://anglo-saxonisrael.com/site/WhoWereTheJud%C3%A6ans)

The Impossible Equation, by Eli James (http://anglo-saxonisrael.com/site/TheImpossibleEquation)

Jesus Was NOT a Jew, by Pastor Eli James (http://anglo-saxonisrael.com/site/jesuswasnotajew)

malachi83
05-25-2010, 07:50 PM
Solomon,you wrote: For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

If God is omnipresent why would he NEED to travel in a UFO???

Present everywhere simultaneously. - online dictionary & K.I.M

WE BELIEVE in YHVH the one and only true and living eternal God (Isa. 44:6); the God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Exo. 3:14-16), the Creator of all things (1 Cor. 8:6) who is omnipotent, omnipresent, unchangeable and all-knowing; the Great I Am who is manifested in three beings: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all one God (Deut. 6:4).

malachi83
05-25-2010, 07:53 PM
Here is my view on them in a short "nutshell".

The Fallen Angels (Satan and the 1/3 that fell with him) started mating with Humans - creating literal GIANTS. They were also mixing animals and humans together - like the half men half beasts of Mythology (also mentioned in the Book of Jasher) - these Abominations WERE REAL! THE EVER-LIVING GOD destroyed all of these Abominations with the Flood of Noah (the offspring and Abominations - not the Fallen Angels and Satan, as they were not mortal), as HE wanted things (even races) kept PURE. The BIG SIN, which Satan and these Fallen Angels are behind is mixing the Adamite race (Whites) with other races and even animals - and this is going on now - with the mixing of people and animals - through "alien abductions" and "cattle mutilations" - they always seem to involve the abducted people's or cattle's "reproductive organs" - this is simply these Fallen Angels conducting their ABOMINATIONS once again. These Fallen Angels, according to Aleister Crowley (Google - Lam and Aleister Crowley) look like what we would call a "grey alien". It is even stated in the Bible that when Satan is revealed people will look at him with WONDER - wondering how this little thing could have caused such fear in the World!

Here is a link that explains more about Lam and Aleister Crowley opening up a "portal" for Lam to come here through.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal07.htm

Since we don't really know much detail about these Fallen Angels from the Bible, we can only speculate on some things. Were these Fallen Angels originally like this (grey aliens)? Probably not - we are told Satan was beautiful. His current status is probably a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD - a way for us to differentiate between GOOD and BAD Angels in the End Times. We know from the Bible that we are made in the "Image" or "Shadow" of THE EVER-LIVING GOD, so we Whites look like THE EVER-LIVING GOD. We can also assume from some texts that the Angels are beautiful Whites as well. I have told people before, when some "alien" comes and performs wonders, do NOT trust them if they do not look like us! I believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD gaves us this difference between the looks of Fallen Angels and GODLY Angels, so we would know, IF we were/are HIS, as we were made in HIS image (and the grey "look" of these Fallen Angels is also, I believe, a punishment from THE EVER-LIVING GOD upon them).

I am sure MANY will not agree with my "views" on this and that is fine, as I am confident on this from studying the Bible, Religious texts, etc. for many years regarding this subject.

For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

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Solomon,you wrote: For the record, I also believe THE EVER-LIVING GOD, HIS Angels, and Fallen Angels all travel in what we would call UFO's - said to be wheels, Chariots of Fire, Clouds, etc. in the Bible (as the people who saw them had no way to fully explain what they saw).

If God is omnipresent why would he NEED to travel in a UFO???

Present everywhere simultaneously. - online dictionary & K.I.M

WE BELIEVE in YHVH the one and only true and living eternal God (Isa. 44:6); the God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Exo. 3:14-16), the Creator of all things (1 Cor. 8:6) who is omnipotent, omnipresent, unchangeable and all-knowing; the Great I Am who is manifested in three beings: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all one God (Deut. 6:4).

Solomon
05-25-2010, 08:59 PM
If God is omnipresent why would he NEED to travel in a UFO???

No doubt Yahweh is omnipresent, I was referring to the "highly polished bronze" of Ezekiel's vision that confuses many.

In the Bible, in Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel reported seeing a vision of a "living beings" flying from a center of a gigantic storm cloud. Some interpret his description of this entity or entities and how it moves as a flying aircraft, e.g. it has wheels beneath it such that "when the living beings moved, the wheels moved. When the living beings stopped, the wheels stopped. When the living beings flew in the air, the wheels rose up" (Ezekiel 1:21) and "There was a surface spread out above them like the sky. It sparkled like crystal. Beneath this surface the wings of each living being stretched out to touch the others' wings...As they flew their wings roared like waves crashing against the shore" (Ezekiel 1:22-23).

There’s no flying object unidentifiable to Yahweh, only man.

malachi83
05-25-2010, 09:28 PM
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WesleyASwift/sermons/62-02-18.htm - The Government---The Bible and Flying Saucers

UFO's are an interesting topic..

Pastor Bill
05-26-2010, 08:34 AM
The only reason a person would teach the devil is not real is to protect him.

That is my position as well, Christians who don't think that there is a real Satan, out there right now looking to destroy YHWH's children have been lulled into a false sense of security which will leave them powerless against the wiles of the evil one.

seedliner
06-14-2010, 09:26 PM
No doubt Yahweh is omnipresent.

Amen! We must understand that Yah has created this enemy for a reason;

Proverbs 16:4; "Yahweh hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

Isaiah 45:7; "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I Yahweh do all these things."

Job 26:13; "By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent."

Amos 3:6; "Shall there be evil in a city, and Yahweh hath not done it?"

It's really how we handle them that matters to Yah;

Psalm 97:10; "Ye that love Yahweh, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked."

Proverbs 8:13; "The fear of Yahweh is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate."

Psalm 139:22; "I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

"Holy hate" -- what a concept!

Solomon
06-14-2010, 10:07 PM
From Kingdom Identity's Herald of Truth (http://www.kingidentity.com/radioarchives/) broadcast...

Lesson on Satan (http://www.kingidentity.com/radioarchives/hot_2009-04-19.mp3)
The Cain Satanic Seedline (http://www.kingidentity.com/radioarchives/hot_2009-03-29.mp3)
A Pale Horse (http://www.kingidentity.com/radioarchives/hot01-15-09.mp3)
What is Baal Worship? (http://www.kingidentity.com/radioarchives/hot12-19-08.mp3)

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malachi83
06-29-2010, 11:59 PM
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WesleyASwift/sermons/Crushing_the_Serpent.mp3 - Crushing the Serpent

http://www.israelect.com/reference/WesleyASwift/sermons/The_Seed_of_the_Dragon.mp3 - The Seed of the Dragon

malachi83
06-30-2010, 12:02 AM
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WesleyASwift/sermons/Crushing_the_Serpent.mp3 - Crushing the Serpent

http://www.israelect.com/reference/WesleyASwift/sermons/The_Seed_of_the_Dragon.mp3 - The Seed of the Dragon

SaxonJackson
07-02-2010, 08:44 AM
There is definitely something about the Jew face that stands out. Following are a number of pictures of Jews. It's easy to see their unique characteristics:

147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159

Woody Allen, Mel Brooks, George Burns, Rodney Dangerfield, Judy Sheindlin, Richard Dreyfuss, Henry Kissinger, Pope Benedict, Dustin Hoffman, Golda Meir, Ben Stiller, Bette Midler, Barbara Streisand. These are a drop in the bucket. Hollyweird and Washington D.C. are crammed with them.

seedliner
07-16-2010, 06:15 AM
Satan is undoubtably real.

Just look around his world!

Daniel Krider
07-16-2010, 06:51 PM
I believe that Satan is real but I don't believe that he has any power over Gods chosen.
He is the deceiver of mankind and of all those without Christ but he is not to be feared as a boogey man.
Most of those who sever him have no idea that they are doing so which is a great deception.
Some who serve him stand in the pulpit of todays churches, other make movies and television programs that subtlety lead people through the wide gate.
As Jesus said to the jews and those who follow them; Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

malachi83
07-18-2010, 07:22 PM
All you have to do is look at the world around us and I think you will all be able to tell that there is a serpent seed here(Jews)
Again I think we have to ask,If there is no serpent seed then how come there is so much sin i.e race mixing,homosexuality,corruption,greed,violence,dru gs,alcohol?
Someone must be pushing this...

Exile
07-19-2010, 09:37 PM
There is definitely something about the Jew face that stands out. Following are a number of pictures of Jews. It's easy to see their unique characteristics:

147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159

Woody Allen, Mel Brooks, George Burns, Rodney Dangerfield, Judy Sheindlin, Richard Dreyfuss, Henry Kissinger, Pope Benedict, Dustin Hoffman, Golda Meir, Ben Stiller, Bette Midler, Barbara Streisand. These are a drop in the bucket. Hollyweird and Washington D.C. are crammed with them.

Lilith-Kali-Isis-Ishtar is the wife of Cain in Genesis 4:17, the ancestral mother of the Serpent race of Jews. It is counterfeit race not created by God. Their white blood corpuscles are not human, they do not have a "floating rib," their fingerprints are formed differently than man's, their mind power is diametrically opposite to man's and they do not have the corona of light around the brain nerve fibers as in man. It is the Devil's offspring. In India, he has always been Naga. In Assyria and Babylonia, he was Akki. In Egypt, he was Naka. In Hebraic, he was Nachas. It means, Satan, or the Devil, yet called the supreme being.

Exile

malachi83
07-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Lilith-Kali-Isis-Ishtar is the wife of Cain in Genesis 4:17, the ancestral mother of the Serpent race of Jews. It is counterfeit race not created by God. Their white blood corpuscles are not human, they do not have a "floating rib," their fingerprints are formed differently than man's, their mind power is diametrically opposite to man's and they do not have the corona of light around the brain nerve fibers as in man. It is the Devil's offspring. In India, he has always been Naga. In Assyria and Babylonia, he was Akki. In Egypt, he was Naka. In Hebraic, he was Nachas. It means, Satan, or the Devil, yet called the supreme being.

Exile

Isn't Lilith the consort of Satan/Sammael?
How is she Cain's wife?

This is taken from ''The Curse of Ham''

Here we have it, Cain’s race was settled in Palestine, so now we need to determine what the race of Cain was, since they also were part of this Canaanite Curse, so we go to the Strong’s Concordance where we find Kenite, the same word as Cain. Hebrew Listing 7014;

קין qayin kah'-yin The same as H7013 (with a play upon the affinity to H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, Kenite (-s).

The name of Cain, to quote, "Kajin, the name of the first child"

Where did Cain’s horde go? We have one of their addresses now, quote, "also of a place in Palestine"

What did the Kenites look like? Quote, "and of an Oriental tribe"



Cain was cast East of Eden into the land of Nod, assumedly Mongolia, so Cain’s wife was an oriental, so the racial pattern of this cursed race of Cain can be assumed to be part Asiatic, Part Aryan. Where is the Negro in this? NOWHERE.

http://www.aryannationsrevival.org/curse_of_ham.htm

Exile
07-19-2010, 10:59 PM
Isn't Lilith the consort of Satan/Sammael?
How is she Cain's wife?

In ancient Assyria and Babylonia, dominated by Cain’s household, Cain’s wife was called Ishtar. In Egypt she was Isis. In Jewry’s Talmud; the Devil’s bible, she is Lilith, and Easter, in Acts 12:4, was a festival commemorating Ishtar’s birthday forced upon the House of Judah Israelites by the Canaanite-Akkad-Amalek-Idumean mongrels who got control of Palestine in 37 B.C. (source-Satan and His Children, part 2)

Exile

malachi83
07-20-2010, 12:03 AM
In ancient Assyria and Babylonia, dominated by Cain’s household, Cain’s wife was called Ishtar. In Egypt she was Isis. In Jewry’s Talmud; the Devil’s bible, she is Lilith, and Easter, in Acts 12:4, was a festival commemorating Ishtar’s birthday forced upon the House of Judah Israelites by the Canaanite-Akkad-Amalek-Idumean mongrels who got control of Palestine in 37 B.C. (source-Satan and His Children, part 2)

Exile

Wouldn't Cain's wife be ''Oriental'' instead of Demonic?

seedliner
07-20-2010, 01:30 AM
Wouldn't Cain's wife be ''Oriental'' instead of Demonic?

That's how I always understood it.

Cain went east of Eden and took an Asian "wife."

malachi83
07-20-2010, 02:54 AM
That's how I always understood it.

Cain went east of Eden and took an Asian "wife."

Then where would it fit in that Cain took lilith for a wife - If he took an Asian/Oriental?

seedliner
07-20-2010, 02:56 AM
Then where would it fit in that Cain took lilith for a wife - If he took an Asian/Oriental?

I'm not sure about Cain, I know Adam took Lilith to wife.

Exile
08-15-2010, 10:49 PM
Satan is very literal.

There are many false prophets within Christian Identity that like pushing "no-Satan" garbage.

Be on guard!

Indeed Brother, here’s my response to the “No Devil/Satan” teachings.

What does the “No Devil” doctrine have to say about this verse Ephesians 6:12? “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

The Scriptures are full of the “Supernatural.” One only needs to read his Bible to discover what the Scriptures reveal as to the “Celestial World.” There is but a step from the “Terrestrial World” to the “Celestial World.” The dividing veil is our “fleshly” bodies. The “Heavenlies” are peopled with Spirit Beings. They are of two classes, good and evil. They are Classified as “Seraphim,” Cherubim,” “Angels” (Good and Bad), “Principalities,” “Powers,” “Age Rulers of Darkness,” “Wicked Spirits,” (Eph. 6:12), “Thrones,” “Dominions,” (Col. 1:16), “Fallen Angels,” (2 Pet. 2:4), “Spirits in Prison,” (1 Pet. 3:18-20), “Demons,” “Seducing Spirits.” 1 Tim. 4:1.

The Angels are “innumerable in number.” Heb. 12:22. They are “mighty in power” but not almighty. 2 Thess. 1:7. They excel in strength. One angel destroyed 185,000 of the Assyrian army in a night. An angel rolled away the stone from the Tomb of Christ, and one angel shall bind “the satan” and cast him into the “Bottomless Pit.” They are “Glorious” beings (Luke 9:26), and have “great knowledge,” but not Omniscient. The Angels are” Ministering Spirits” to them who are “heirs of salvation,” (Praise YHWH) Heb. 1:13, 14, and “Executioners of Yahweh’s wrath” on the “wicked.” 2 Thess. 1:7-8. They will gather the “elect of Israel” (Again give Praise to YHWH) from the four corners of the earth, (Matt. 24:31), and are commissioned to supply the physical needs of Yahweh’s people. Matt. 4:11; Kings 19:4-8.

Did YHWH create “Evil”? “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” Matt. 7:15-18. If YHWH did not create “Evil,” then how did it originate? It will not do to say – “An enemy hath done this,” for then the question will arise, “Who made the enemy”? If the satan did not originate evil in his own heart, then it must have been implanted in his heart from some outside source. This would require the co-existence of “Good” and “Evil” in the Universe, and rob YHWH of His Sovereignty. Some hold that “Evil” is necessary to properly develop and perfect free moral agents. If this be true, then “Evil” must have had an eternal beginning and been in the purpose of YHWH, for all of Yahweh’s creatures were created “free moral agents.” If YHWH had made them otherwise they would have been mere robots with no will of their own. While it is true that overcoming evil perfects character, it is not true that evil is necessary for such perfection. To be a “free moral agent” implies that one has the power of “choice.” When YHWH created the angels, and all the glorious beings that He originally created, there was no sin or “Evil” in the Universe. But as free moral agents they had the power of choice, not between “Good” and “Evil,” but between following the “Will of YHWH.” or their “Own Will.” As long as the satan chose the “Will of YHWH.” There was no “Evil” in the Universe, but the moment he chose to follow his own Will, then he fell, and by persuading others to follow him he introduced “Evil” into the Universe. The root of sin is selfishness, and when the satan said – “I will ascend into Heaven (from the original earth over which he was ruling), I will exalt MY THRONE above the “Stars of YHWH” (other ruling powers) …I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high” (Isa. 14:12-14), then the satan was guilty of TREASON, and started a REBELLION AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT OF YHWH that will never cease until he and his followers are cast into the “Lake of Fire” to spend Eternity. Of course this is strictly an opinion and my understanding of Biblical scripture.

Exile

DunaMiss
08-16-2010, 12:07 AM
Did YHWH create “Evil”? “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” Matt. 7:15-18. If YHWH did not create “Evil,” then how did it originate? It will not do to say – “An enemy hath done this,” for then the question will arise, “Who made the enemy”? If the satan did not originate evil in his own heart, then it must have been implanted in his heart from some outside source. This would require the co-existence of “Good” and “Evil” in the Universe, and rob YHWH of His Sovereignty. Some hold that “Evil” is necessary to properly develop and perfect free moral agents. If this be true, then “Evil” must have had an eternal beginning and been in the purpose of YHWH, for all of Yahweh’s creatures were created “free moral agents.” If YHWH had made them otherwise they would have been mere robots with no will of their own. While it is true that overcoming evil perfects character, it is not true that evil is necessary for such perfection. To be a “free moral agent” implies that one has the power of “choice.” When YHWH created the angels, and all the glorious beings that He originally created, there was no sin or “Evil” in the Universe. But as free moral agents they had the power of choice, not between “Good” and “Evil,” but between following the “Will of YHWH.” or their “Own Will.” As long as the satan chose the “Will of YHWH.” There was no “Evil” in the Universe, but the moment he chose to follow his own Will, then he fell, and by persuading others to follow him he introduced “Evil” into the Universe. The root of sin is selfishness, and when the satan said – “I will ascend into Heaven (from the original earth over which he was ruling), I will exalt MY THRONE above the “Stars of YHWH” (other ruling powers) …I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high” (Isa. 14:12-14), then the satan was guilty of TREASON, and started a REBELLION AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT OF YHWH that will never cease until he and his followers are cast into the “Lake of Fire” to spend Eternity. Of course this is strictly an opinion and my understanding of Biblical scripture. Exile

EXCELLENT teaching, brother!

How can the no-devil doctrine explain away:

Jesus then answered, "That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him." So when He had dipped the morsel, He took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly." (John 13:26-17)

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. (Luke 22:3)

malachi83
08-16-2010, 02:49 AM
EXCELLENT teaching, brother!

How can the no-devil doctrine explain away:

Jesus then answered, "That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him." So when He had dipped the morsel, He took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly." (John 13:26-17)

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. (Luke 22:3)

How can Satan enter into Judas if he already has a devil? Or is serpent seed?

John 6:70:Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? - KJV

Exile
08-17-2010, 10:39 PM
How can Satan enter into Judas if he already has a devil? Or is serpent seed?

John 6:70:Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? - KJV

Satan, mentioned here in this verse would be considered apocalyptic, i.e. uncover/disclose who he “Judas” truly was, a spawn of his father.

Exile

Paul Vargio
12-27-2010, 06:56 AM
From the "Gnostic Origins of Alfred Rosenberg's Thought"

Paulican and Manichaean ideas were fused in an otherwise quite original movement which appeared in Bulgaria about 950 A.D. Our only true point of reference is a notation that they were first studied while Tsar Peter reigned in Bulgaria. Peter died in 969. The Bogomili were a group of initiates possessed of secret writings and ideas, whose name indicates "God have mercy" or "Mercy of God" or "Beloved of God."

Their highly original position in theology begins with the gnostic dualism of matter as evil and spirit as good. In the story of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32) they found an allegory. Christ is the good son who remained with the father and the devil is the son who goes off to do evil. The devil (Satanel as the Bogomili called him) was the son of God and the brother of Christ. One later tale which tells us of the Bogomili is as follows. The devil made the body of Adam. He tried to animate it with a spark of the eternal (soul) which he had stolen from God, but the soul would not remain in place. The soul continually exited through the anus. Eventually the devil was able to dam it up and the soul was sufficient to animate the body. The devil made the body from water and earth.

In a second version of the story the water flowed out of Adam's toe and formed a stream, which appeared to Adam as a snake. The snake tried to warn Adam of the deceit of Satanel, and was thus cursed by him. Eventually, God and his prodigal son reached an accord: each would rule a part of man. God was to govern what had been stolen from him, the spirit of man; the devil would govern the body.

To prevent the end of mankind, and thus end Satanel's control over man through his body, the devil must continue the human race. He could accomplish that only by continually entrapping the spirit in matter. He thus uses sex as the primary instrument of control. Without sex and procreation there would be no future subjects for Satanel's control. Thus, marriage was to be rejected by the true believer.

The esoteric portion of the Bogomile cult taught that messages were hidden in the gospels, acts of the apostles, and letters of Paul. One had to have a certain key to unlock the secrets. For reasons that are not clear, but perhaps out of fear of the Jews, the messages were presented in riddles, allegories and metaphors. The correct interpretation of the materials was vital to salvation.

The Bogomili rejected the cross-it was a symbol of evil. On it the Jews had really or symbolically crucified Christ. Even if one attempts to reconcile the dualism which precludes Christ from having a body with the hatred of the Jews as "Christ killers" one is left with the idea in Bogomilism that they condemned Christ and his teaching. The Cross may be symbolically interpreted as representing that condemnation and rejection.

The Bogomili made no distinction between priests and laity. It was a democratically-run organization with no hierarchy until about 1200. They were more contemplative than the Paulicans, less given to action, and apparently non-violent. Had they been more active militarily their organizational structure may have been greater. They did not attempt to create a temporal regime.

The usual rejection of the sacraments marked Bogomilism. Marriage leads to continued creation of material bodies. Communion is an attempt to do the impossible: sanctify matter which is evil and cannot be blessed. Relies are rejected, and formal churches for the same reason.

The Phundagiagitae may be regarded as a form or application of Bogomilism and, to a degree, Paulicanism. It was probably founded by John Tzurillas in Bulgaria about 1050, and spread through Bulgaria and Byzantium. It was more willing than the Bogomili to pay lip service to those things of organized Orthodox Christianity. Its adherents were hard to discover during the many persecutions of non-Orthodox Christians in both Bulgaria and Byzantium.

The Phundagiagitae were accused of being devil worshipers, and of having a developed satanology. The accusation comes from a misreading of their interest in Satanel as a son of God and as the creator of this world. God created six heavens, and Satanel the remaining one. Satanel had tricked the other devils into rebelling against God; realizing that they had been tricked, these other fallen angels set about to create a race of helpers for mankind. This they did by fathering a race of giants by the daughters of men.

Moses had led the Jews astray, the Phundagiagitae argued, by worshiping only Satanel, and in offering men the law which was written by Satanel, not by God. Other men rebelled, urged on by the giants who had been instructed by their fathers. In retaliation, Satanel caused the Universal Deluge which killed all but Noah who had remained loyal to him. In this cult, very few of the Old Testament figures were worthy of other than eternal damnation.

Satanel had stolen the spark from God which became the spirit of man. This was represented metaphorically as the light of the sun set against the eternal darkness of Satanel's realm. The spirit of man cried out for redemption so God sent his son Jesus Christ to the rescue. After having saved men, or that portion to whom he came and who received him, Jesus returned to heaven. On the ascent he bound Satanel, and removed from him his godliness, after which the devil became Satan, the "el" having been appropriately dropped. (The "el" indicated "of God.") The teaching of Jesus was designed exclusively to liberate men from Satanel and his servants on earth, the Jews, followers of Moses and Noah.

seedliner
12-27-2010, 09:00 AM
The soul continually exited through the anus. Eventually the devil was able to dam it up and the soul was sufficient to animate the body.

Ah! So now we all know what "religion" Marty is. He's a Bogomili. :grin:

Great reading. Thanks for the history lesson.

BootGurl88
01-07-2011, 12:33 AM
Now why in the world include this topic? What on earth does pride have to do with any of the issues we have already discussed?

Because, my friend, millions down through the ages of time, including myself, would not have ruined all or part of their lives if they just weren't "too proud" to admit they needed help - and seek it. What I am talking about is pride taken to the extreme. For example, there are thousands of runaway teenagers, who just ran away from home but were also too proud to talk to someone or get help. They may well die because of that pride. Millions have made the mistake of going ahead with a wrong marriage - too proud to step back and wait. Millions try to cover their drug or alcohol addiction - too proud to get help, yet dying a slow death.

Why include pride? Because it may just be that one thing that will keep someone from asking for help when they need it.

There are millions upon millions of people who have ruined their lives, too proud to admit their problems and seek help. Please don't let this ever happen to you. You are special. Your life is worth it. Don't worry about what the crowd thinks. Don't worry about what your friends think. If you ever need help, seek it before it's eternally too late.

See what God says about pride.


I Timothy 3:6 - "Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil."

Proverbs 13:10 - "Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom."

Proverbs 26:12 - "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him."

Psalms 10:4 - "The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts."

Proverbs 16:18 - "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

Red Ryder
01-07-2011, 03:46 AM
People think this is so strange that the people born evil go to hell. But it is no stranger than people going to hell because of making a bad discision People of the seed of satan are born evil. By nature there is nothing in them that would ever come to or submit to Jesus Christ. By nature they are evil. In Matt 13:24-30 we see that the seed of satan is evil right from the start of the birth of the seed. There is no discussion making in this verse of scripture. Notice too in this verse how they grow up with us but are never apart of us.

Reminds me of Dan 2:43 "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, just as iron is not mixed with clay."

seedliner
01-07-2011, 04:29 AM
Here's an interesting article I found on WikiPedia called "Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit_Predestinarian_Baptists)


Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists are part of a larger sub-group of Baptists that is commonly referred to as "anti-mission" Baptists. This sub-group includes the Duck River and Kindred Baptists, Old Regular Baptists, some Regular Baptists and some United Baptists.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/DanielParker.jpg
Elder Daniel Parker

Parker was formulating views on God and man that he would first release in his Views on the Two Seeds (1826). Parker taught that all persons are either of the "good seed" of God or of the "bad seed" of Satan (the children of the good seed are roughly equivalent to the "elect" of Calvinism, and those of the bad seed similar to the "non-elect"), and were predestined that way from the beginning; therefore, mission activity was not only unbiblical but, as a practical matter, useless since the "decision" was already made prior to birth.

All my years as a seedliner I've never heard of these guys until this week. :rolleyes:

Alpha_and_Omega
01-07-2011, 11:25 AM
How can Satan enter into Judas if he already has a devil? Or is serpent seed?

John 6:70:Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? - KJV

I don't really see much of an issue with Satan entering into Judas, and I didn't quite understand the response that Exile gave you concerning this same post of yours. Judas may have been serpent seed but, to me there is a difference between being of the physical genetic stock of Satan and having Satan spiritually enter into you. The serpent seed is naturally evil seeing as they're the literal seed of Satan so, I would assume they'd be the best candidates for having Satan enter them spiritually. I see a difference between them being naturally evil and having Satan himself enter into them spiritually.

As for Judas already having a devil, I think that verse states that he himself was a devil ... genetically. But let's just assume that it means he already had a devil or bad spirit within him ... demons (plural), from my understanding, are able to reside in a fleshly vessel at the same time.

malachi83
01-07-2011, 03:54 PM
I don't really see much of an issue with Satan entering into Judas, and I didn't quite understand the response that Exile gave you concerning this same post of yours. Judas may have been serpent seed but, to me there is a difference between being of the physical genetic stock of Satan and having Satan spiritually enter into you. The serpent seed is naturally evil seeing as they're the literal seed of Satan so, I would assume they'd be the best candidates for having Satan enter them spiritually. I see a difference between them being naturally evil and having Satan himself enter into them spiritually.

As for Judas already having a devil, I think that verse states that he himself was a devil ... genetically. But let's just assume that it means he already had a devil or bad spirit within him ... demons (plural), from my understanding, are able to reside in a fleshly vessel at the same time.

If the serpent seed is ''naturally'' evil then why would satan have to enter spiritually? What would would be the point? couldn't he carry out what he was going to do without satan entering into him if he was natually evil?
Why would he need to be made more evil if he was already evil?

DunaMiss
01-07-2011, 06:27 PM
If the serpent seed is ''naturally'' evil then why would satan have to enter spiritually? What would would be the point? couldn't he carry out what he was going to do without satan entering into him if he was natually evil?
Why would he need to be made more evil if he was already evil?

Yahweh wants His people empowered with His Spirit to carry out His will on earth. Satan wants his people empowered by his spirit to carry out his will on earth. If you are filled with the Spirit of Yahweh, you are more easily led by Him. If you are filled with the spirit of Satan, you are more easily led by him.

Paul Vargio
01-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Here's an interesting article on that same subject...

jews Call Satan Man’s “Sin Nature” (http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/wp/?p=283)

malachi83
01-07-2011, 08:42 PM
Yahweh wants His people empowered with His Spirit to carry out His will on earth. Satan wants his people empowered by his spirit to carry out his will on earth. If you are filled with the Spirit of Yahweh, you are more easily led by Him. If you are filled with the spirit of Satan, you are more easily led by him.

If that is so, then why was Judas feeling remorse that he killed himself?If Judas was filled with an evil spirit of satan then why remorse???
(Matthew 27:1-10)

3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Note how he states that ''I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood'' he knows he sinned...

DunaMiss
01-08-2011, 01:49 PM
If that is so, then why was Judas feeling remorse that he killed himself?If Judas was filled with an evil spirit of satan then why remorse???...

A person can be motivated/tempted to sin and demonically empowered to carry it out, but later, when the spirit leaves, experience remorse for obeying the tempter. The devil is a user and an abuser. He'll tempt someone to carry out his will, and then he'll follow it up by tempting them to kill themselves for doing it. Judas wasn't a robot; he had a free will like everyone else.

malachi83
01-08-2011, 04:15 PM
A person can be motivated/tempted to sin and demonically empowered to carry it out, but later, when the spirit leaves, experience remorse for obeying the tempter. The devil is a user and an abuser. He'll tempt someone to carry out his will, and then he'll follow it up by tempting them to kill themselves for doing it. Judas wasn't a robot; he had a free will like everyone else.

If Judas was already a devil and had free will then what was the point of satan entering into him?
If he was really evil then he would have done it anyway without any ''supernatural'' help...
maybe that was a figure of speech...
John 13:27:And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Satan didn't literally enter into him or an evil spirit he was just motivated at that time to do it
Matthew 26:16:And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
Judas had been seeking a time to betray Jesus, the time just came...

NOTICE that evil spirits can come from God or may have permission from Yahweh to do work - like this verse 1Samuel 16:14:But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

What's to say that an evil spirit didn't have ''permission'' to enter Judas that was why he was able to repent and feel remorse right up to returning the money and killing himself????

Again in Job,Job 1:12:And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Exile
01-16-2011, 08:47 PM
Hello Malachi83,

I have several Biblical commentaries and found Clarke’s to give the best answer to your questions.


Verse 27. Satan entered into him.] He had entered into him before, and now he enters again, to strengthen him in his purpose of delivering up his master.

That thou doest, do quickly.] As if he said: “Thou art past all counsel; thou hast filled up the measure of thy iniquity, and hast wholly abandoned thyself to Satan; I will not force thee to turn from thy purpose, and without this thou wilt not. Thy designs are all known to me; what thou art determined to do, and I to permit, do directly; delay not, I am ready” ~ Clark’s Commetary Vol.V Page 619

Indeed, evil spirits which cause mental disturbances are mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. But they were not dispatched or controlled by Satan; they are sent by YHWH to torment people as 1Samuel 16:14 and other verses clearly state:

Judges 9:23: "Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem..."

1 Kings 22:23: "...behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets..."

1 Sam 18:10: "And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul..."

1 Sam 19:9: "And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul..."

I hope this helps?

Exile

DunaMiss
01-17-2011, 01:32 AM
Jesus never violated His Father's will. He never worked against what His Father was doing. In fact, according to His Own testimony, He always did what His Father did.

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. (John 5:19)

If His Father had sent an evil spirit to someone, then Jesus would not have cast it out. Jesus always worked in agreement with His Father by the power of His Spirit. Therefore, there were no devils sent by Yahweh and then cast out by His Son.

And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? ...But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matthew 12:25,26, 28)

And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. (Mark 1:34)

malachi83
01-17-2011, 06:51 PM
Can someone please explain the origin of Cain's relationship with the Kenites in a bit more detail? i.e founder of the kenites, was a kenite etc etc
And also if possible in a bit more detail how the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the serpent were one.. i.e pleasant,wise,desire,eat,touch as I get the impression they were separate not one...

7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).

Thanks!

malachi83
01-19-2011, 03:48 PM
I don't know how much of a difference this is but in the Douay when the punishments are been handed out it says ''I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

Unlike the KJV it states ''And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.''

The Douay - Rheims if you notice states ''enmities'' while the KJV ''enmity''

Definition:a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.

malachi83
01-20-2011, 12:00 AM
No seducer corrupted me on a desert plain, nor did the destroyer, the deceitful serpent, defile the purity of my virginity. - 4 Maccabees (4Mac.18:8)

More proof of seduction???
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4496061 - 4 Maccabees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Maccabees

love777yah
08-04-2011, 05:39 PM
Appendix B (to the Christogenea NT): The Devil and Satan
by Pastor Bill Finck

There are in the Bible, and it is evident throughout history, two races in opposition to each other from the beginning. These are the race of the Woman and the race of the Serpent as foretold at Gen. 3:15. The race of the Woman is represented in New Testament times by the descendants of Jacob-Israel. It was this branch of the much larger Adamic (Caucasian or White) race which was chosen by Yahweh for preservation (“salvation”) to continue His work upon the Earth. At the time of Christ there did remain yet other branches of the Adamic race: Ionian Greeks (as distinguished from Danaan and Dorian Greeks) and the Elamite Persians, for example, but since then all of these have faded into oblivion, or have at least lost their original tribal identities. The people of most of those lands are today not true Adamites. The people of northern Europe are descended from the so-called “lost” tribes of Israel, from which came the Germans and Kelts and Scandinavians, etc., along with the earlier immigrants to these coasts, coming mostly by sea as Israelite “Phoenicians”, the Danaan and Dorian Greeks, the Dardanians (Trojans) later known as Romans and Illyrians, and other smaller divisions. Yet it is scripturally and historically evident that a remnant of the other Adamic nations dwells among them. The northern European nations, along with some of the nations of southern Europe and Asia as they once were - before they were invaded by Arabs and Turks and Mongols - are the remaining “seed of the Woman”. These are the Nations and their kings promised to the Patriarchs (i.e. Gen. 35:11; Luke 1:77 and 2:32 et al.), and the remnant of these peoples are “the Anointed” collectively, as discussed here in Appendix A.

The “seed of the Serpent” have primarily descended unto this day from Cain through Canaan (Gen. 15:19-21), Esau (Genesis chapter 36), and the Shelahites of Judah’s Canaanite son Shelah (Genesis chapter 38), which is evident from John 8:30-47, Matt. 13:24-30 and 13:36-43, Luke 10:18-20, 11:47-51, Rom. 9:1-13, and many other places in Scripture. The evidence for this shall be considered at length below. The Edomites, who had long moved into the post-deportation lands of Israel and Judah (i.e. Ezekiel 35:10), were joined to the Judaean kingdom of the Maccabees circa 130 B.C., for which see Josephus’ Antiquities 13.9.1 (13:254-258) et al., and Strabo’s Geography 16.2.34. Thereafter the Edomites, Shelahite-Judahites and other Canaanites had infiltrated and then usurped the institutions of the Kingdom of Judaea by the time of Christ, and this situation was the reason for the constant “division among the Judaeans” noted at John 7:43, 9:16, and 10:19 (see 10:26), and experienced by Paul not only in Jerusalem, but in his travels also, seen at Acts 13:45-51; 14:2-5 and 19; and 17:5-9 et al. Note that Luke said that the Judaeans of Beroia were “of more noble a race” than those of contention who were in Thessalonika (Acts 17:11). These contentious people were the jews from whom today’s jews are in large part descended, and so today’s jews are primarily the children of Canaan, and of Esau, and are the enemies of Yahweh, Yahshua Christ, and true Israel. There were also in New Testament times, and even long before and after that, as there are even today, descendants of the Serpent in many places other than Palestine and who do not identify themselves as jews, having no relation to the place. Among these are the Arabs, who have long ago spread themselves into Asia, Africa, southern Europe, and the former Soviet states.

As it has been shown that ὁ χριστός, “the Anointed”, is an appellation which is applicable to both Yahshua Christ Himself and to the children of Israel collectively, it is just as evident that the Substantives (a Substantive is an adjectival or verbal form of a word, usually accompanied with an Article, which is used as a noun) ὁ σατανᾶς, ὁ διάβολος, ὁ ἀντικείμενος, and ὁ ἀντίχριστος, among others, are appellations applied to the descendants of the Serpent (i.e. Matt. 3:7; 12:34; and 23:33; Luke 3:7 and 11:47-51; Acts 13:4-12; Jude 6-13; Rev. 2:9; 3:9; 12:1-9; and 20:2 and 10). These as they appear in New Testament writings shall be discussed presently.

ὁ σατανᾶς (4566, 4567), is “the Adversary”, with the Article. The word is Hebrew, for which see Strong’s Hebrew lexicon #7854. It appears in the New Testament on approximately 34 occasions.. At times the word’s usage is of a spiritual, or supernatural, being, but at times it is used of people here in the physical world. Synonyms for the word, which are Greek words, are ὁ ἀντικείμενος (480), “the opposition” or in the plural “those opposing”, found at Luke (13:17 and 21:15) and in Paul (Phil. 1:28, II Thess. 2:4; and I Tim. 5:14), and ὁ ὑπεναντίος (5227), found at Heb. 10:27.

At Rev. 12:3-9 we find that the “great red dragon”, the “old serpent”, the “Devil” (ὁ διάβολος) and “Satan” ὁ Σατανᾶς) are all the same entity: that collection of “angels” which rebelled against Yahweh, and being cast out here on the Earth, are certainly found here from the earliest times. And so we have that “old Serpent” found here already at the creation of Adam, who seduced Eve and fathered Cain. Many may protest that Adam fathered Cain, yet such is only found at Gen. 4:1 (and not at 4:16 nor 5:1 ff.), which is a demonstrably corrupt verse as is attested to in sources such as The Interpreter’s Bible, vol. 1, p. 517, which says of part of Gen. 4:1: “I have gotten a man from the Lord”, that the actual Hebrew is rather unintelligible, and “the words are a gloss”. Before the Christian era, the Israelites of Judaea either knew that Gen. 4:1 was corrupt and attempted to repair it, or were actually in possession of a version of Gen. 4:1 which was lost before either the LXX or the MT came along. For in the earliest translations of Gen. 4:1 from the Hebrew, which are the Aramaic Targums, we find translations or interpretations of the verse as follows: “And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by the Angel Sammael, and she conceived and bare Cain; and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like earthly beings, and she said, I have acquired a man, the Angel of the Lord” (Targum of Jonathan), or: “And Adam knew his wife Eve, who had desired the Angel, and she conceived, and bare Cain; and she said, I have acquired a man, the angel of the Lord...”. The idea that Cain was fathered by the serpent of Genesis chapter 3 is supported not only by the New Testament (i.e. Matt. 13:37-42 and John 8:41-44), but also by much of the Apocryphal literature, such as IV Macc. 18:7-8 (in the LXX), Wisdom of Salomon 2:24 (LXX), The Book of Enoch 68:7 (Lawrence’s verse division), The Protevangelion 10:1-6 (found in The Lost Books of the Bible and The Forgotten Books of Eden) and the book The Secrets of Enoch (ibid.), at 31:5 which says of Satan: “...therefore he conceived thought against Adam, in such form he entered and seduced Eva, but did not touch Adam”.

The descendants of Cain, the Kenites (Gen. 4:16-24, 15:19 et al., as both Strong in his concordance and again The Interpreter’s Bible, vol. 1, p. 517 attest), can be traced through the Old Testament unto the jews of today, in part, as explained at the beginning of this appendix. We also see in Revelation chapter 12, that it is this Satan entity who seeks to destroy the child (Yahshua Christ) of the Woman (Israel), even as soon as it was born. Only Herod, the Edomite king of Judaea (for which see Josephus’ Antiquities 14.1.3 and 14.7.3, where it is seen that the Antipater of some of these passages was the father of Herod; 14.15.2; and Wars 1.6.2), attempted to slay Christ when He was born (Matt. 2:16-20), and so many of the conclusions reached here concerning the Edomite-Canaanite jews are greatly substantiated by this alone, although they can also be elsewhere. This conspiracy by Satan (the jews in this context) continued throughout the time of Christ’s ministry (i.e. Matt. 2:3, 12:4, 22:15, Mark 12:13 and 14:1, Luke 13:31, 19:47, 20:14-26 and 22:2) until it was accomplished at the Crucifixion, and further continued against the disciples of Christ, for which see Acts 4:5-22; 5:17-42; 6:8-13; 7:1 and 52 ff.; 12:1-23 et al. Compare the terms “race of the high priest” and “their own countrymen” at Acts 4:6 and 23 as they are translated here in their contexts.


After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and the eventual acceptance of Christianity by the nations of Europe – the true dispersed of Israel – “Satan” was locked away in the pit for 1,000 years, or rather the jews were eventually separated from the civic life of Europe and banished to the ghettoes or to regions outside, such as Khazaria – later to be released and to deceive the Nations. This is the period which we have been experiencing in recent times, perhaps with the dawn of the so-called “Enlightenment” where world jewry gained considerable influence over the economic and intellectual lives of the seed of the woman, and especially through the so-called central banking system (cf. Rev. 20:1-8.) Further discussion of this is outside of the scope of this appendix, yet hopefully enough has been said that the coherence of our Bibles with all of history may be manifest.


Connecting them to the serpent of Genesis, we see that John the Baptist called the Edomite jew Pharisees a “race of vipers” (ἔχιδνα, 2191), which is recorded at Matt. 3:7 and Luke 3:7. Yahshua had told His disciples: “I beheld the Adversary falling as lightning from heaven! Behold! I have given to you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy...” (Luke 10:18-19; cf. Rev. 12:9). At Luke 11:45-51 we see that it is a particular race, the Edomite jews and their fathers (11:47 and 48), who shall be held accountable for the blood of all the prophets, even from Abel. Here it is manifest that Yahshua must be speaking to the descendants of Cain: for only Cain could be responsible for the blood of Abel. We see in the Old Testament, in one of the few places that the identity of the perpetrators is specifically documented, that it was Doeg the Edomite who would kill the priests of Yahweh for Saul, when none of Saul’s other servants would do so (cf. I Sam. 22:6-23). It can also be argued that Jezebel (the daughter of Ethbaal [or Ithobaal], a pagan priest at Tyre who slew the legitimate king and usurped the throne, for which see Josephus’ Against Apion), who slew many of the prophets of Yahweh (I Kings 18), was also descended from Canaanites.


This “enemy” of Luke 10:18-19 is mentioned elsewhere in Luke 1:71, 19:14 and 27, and 20:43, and Acts 13:10. Their origin is explained in the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares at Matt. 13:36-43. Yahshua Christ foretold the time of vengeance on this enemy at Luke 21:22-24, as Daniel had many years before (Dan. 9:26), and as Paul was later aware of (Rom. 16:20). The dispersion of the jews after the destruction of Jerusalem was NOT the diaspora of the children of Israel, which happened many centuries beforehand and after which only a small remnant ever returned to Judaea. Rather, the dispersion after 70 A.D. was that of the “bad figs”, the people cursed by Yahweh, for which see Jer. 24:9-10, and also Isa. 65:15; and Jer. 19:8-11; 26:6; and 29:17-19. If these Edomite jews were indeed the children of Yahweh, they would not have been likened to mere husbandmen (Luke 20:9-16), but would rather have been heirs of the Kingdom with Christ (Gal. 3:29; Tit. 3:7; Heb. 6:17 and 11:9; Jas. 2:5). Yet the husbandmen shall be destroyed because they killed the servants (prophets) and the Son (Yahshua Christ) of the owner of the vineyard (Yahweh). These are the enemies who have rejected the sovereignty of Yahshua Christ (Luke 19:14), and there is no turning back for them now (Matt. 27:25, Luke 19:27, John 19:15). They would not, nor could they, repent or believe Him, even though one should rise from the dead (Luke 16:19-31).


The Edomite-Canaanite jews are the fig tree of Matt. 21:19 ff., Luke 13:6 ff., which bore no fruit. They are the “sons of this age”, as opposed to the “sons of light” who are the children of Yahweh as related at Luke 16:8. It is they who force their way into the Kingdom of Yahweh (Matt. 11:12, Luke 16:16) and yet they shall ultimately be excluded from it (i.e. Luke 13:28). They are the bad tree which cannot possibly produce good fruit, opposed to the good tree, which are the true genetic Israelites who cannot produce bad fruit (Matt 7:17-18, Luke 6:43-44). These jews are a corrupt race which the children of Israel have been warned to keep themselves from (i.e. Acts 2:40); oppressive wolves (Acts 20:29) who would scatter and devour the sheep (John 10:12). Claiming to be Judah, they are truly “vagabond” descendants of Cain (Acts 19:13, cf. Gen. 4:14; Luke 11:52, John 8:44) and of the assembly of Satan, the Adversary (Rev. 2:9 and 3:9).


διάβολος (1228) is an adjective, “slanderous, backbiting...as Substantive a slanderer” (Liddell & Scott [L & S]). In Luke it only appears as a Substantive and is rendered here “the False Accuser” with the Article, after the use of both the related noun διαβολή, “false accusation, slander, calumny...” (L & S), and the verb διαβάλλω (1225), “III. to traduce, slander, calumniate...to misrepresent...IV. to deceive by false accounts...” (L & S). So the rendering here intends to represent the full meaning of the word. In the New Testament it is manifest that ὁ διάβολος is a synonym for ὁ σατανᾶς. In the A.V. it was always translated “devil”, as δαιμόνιον (see below) also was. διάβολος was used to translate the Hebrew for Satan in the LXX, in I Chronicles chapter 21, Job chapters 1 and 2, and Zechariah chapter 3.


The “False Accuser” of Luke chapter 4 certainly appears to be a supernatural being, yet this is not necessarily so, and I would only desire more information before reaching such a conclusion. Paul used the word in such a manner that it can refer to either the spiritual entity (see δαιμόνιον below), or to those members of the Adversary, the descendants of the Serpent already discussed at length above, for which see Eph. 4:27 and 6:11; I Tim. 3:6; and II Tim. 2:26. That Satan, the Dragon or Serpent, is also “the Accuser”, see Rev. 12:10 in the A.V., where the synonym κατήγωρ, a form of κατήγορος (2725), is used, and also II Pet. 2:7-12. At John 8:33, certain Judaean leaders professed never to have been in bondage. The Edomites could make such a profession, also being Abraham’s offspring, but the Israelites were in bondage several times: in Egypt, Assyria, and Babylon. Yahshua calls these men sons of their father the devil, or ὁ διάβολος.


For examples of the behavior which the epithet “False Accuser” describes, which is quite an appropriate appellation for the jews, see Matt. 15:2; Mark 2:6-7; Luke 5:21; 6:2 and 7; 13:14; 15:2; and 20:19-26; Acts 6:13; 17:7; and 21:27-29 and 34-36. We have constant examples of such behavior from these same people in modern times, found in the false atrocity stories, false cries of oppression, insistence upon speech restrictions and “hate crimes” laws, ad nauseum.


The word δαιμόνιον (1140) was also used by secular Greek writers - and I will conjecture that one’s interpretation of it is dependent upon one’s perspective - to denote “the divine Power, deity, divinity...” but also “a spirit, a being inferior to God...” (Thayer) and also in secular Greek writers cited by L & S “...an inferior divine being, a demon”. The word is derived from δαίμων (1142, found in the N.T. only at Matt. 8:31), which is “a god, goddess; an inferior deity...” (Thayer). Inferior or lesser “gods” are mentioned in the Old Testament at Exod. 23:32; II Kin. 21:3; Mic. 4:5; Psa. 8:5 where “angels” in the A.V. is actually the Hebrew word elohim (430) and should have been written “gods”; and at Mal. 2:11 in reference to the mother of Shelah, Judah’s Canaanite wife. Surely Mal. 2:11 supports the contentions here concerning the derivation of the Canaanites, which was in part from Ham, but in part from the Kenite descendants of Cain, son of the Serpent (i.e. Gen. 15:19-21). Jude refers to these as “the angels which kept not their first estate” at Jude 6, and Paul blames them for false religions at Col 2:18, evident also at Rev. 9:20. Note also I Cor. 8:5. As the Old Testament attests, and the New Testament verifies, the Israelites and all other Adamites are the children of Yahweh (i.e. Deut. 14:1; Psa. 82:6; Luke 3:38; John 10:34-36; Acts 17:28-29; Heb. 2:13), here it is evident that the other races - of which there is no record in Genesis that Yahweh created - are the children of these “lesser gods”, of the Serpent, and even though they often mingled with the blood of Adam (and do very commonly today), notably through Eve, Cain, Canaan, Esau, and Judah, among many others later, these are the “seed of the Serpent” and collectively ὁ σατανᾶς, or “the Satan”, “the Adversary”.


δαιμόνιον is nearly always “demon” here, and it appears over 50 times in the New Testament. One time it is rendered “gods” in Acts, at 17:18, as seems appropriate in the context there. The verb δαιμονίζομαι (1139), “to be possessed by a demon or evil spirit” (L & S), appears 14 times in the New Testament, all of them in the gospels. The word δαίμων, of which δαιμόνιον is a diminutive, appears only once in the New Testament, at Matthew 8:31, where in the plural it too is “demons”.


βεελζεβούλ (954) is mentioned at Matt. 10:25, 12:24 and 27, Mark 8:22 and Luke 11:15, 18, and 19, and is called the “Prince of demons”. There is a Baal-zebub in the Old Testament, found only in II Kings chapter 1. While in his Greek dictionary Strong tells us that βεελζεβούλ means dung-god (Gr. #954), he refers us to his Hebrew dictionary #1176 where finding the definitions of the component words baal (Heb. #1167) and zebub (Heb. #2070), the name apparently means lord of the fly. However zebul (Heb. #s 2073, 2083) is a residence or a dwelling, and so baal-zebul apparently means lord of the house.


In New Testament writing, demons are equated with “unclean spirits”, i.e. Mark 7:25-26; Luke 4:33; 8:29-30; 9:42; Rev. 16:13-14 and 18:2 etc. Such an equation was also often made by the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Qumran sect, where it is evident that these “demons” or “serpents” were believed to exist on both the physical and the spiritual planes, yet are all of that same “satanic”, or adversarial entity. We find in the Dead Sea Scrolls references to “spirits of Belial” quite often, as in 4Q271 (4QDamascus Documentf) Frag. 5 col. I or 1QM (1Q33 or 1QWar Scroll) col. XIII. The word “Belial” in Hebrew is associated with the idea of something mixed, and is often used of people in the Old Testament, and at II Cor. 6:14-18, for which see Strong’s Hebrew dictionary at #s 1098, 1100, and 1101. The Scrolls mention the “spirits of Bastards” (those of mixed racial backgrounds) at 1QHa (1QHodayota) cols. XXIV and XXV, where they are also referred to as “spirits of wickedness”; at 4Q202 (4QEnochb ar) col. IV; 4Q204 (4QEnochc ar) col. V; 4Q444 (4QIncantation) Frag. 2 col. I mentioned with the “spirit of uncleanness”; 4Q510 (4QSongs of the Sagea) Frag. 1: “...all the spirits of the ravaging angels and the bastard spirits, demons...” and at 4Q511 (4QSongs of the Sageb) Frags. 48, 49, & 51 where they are equated to “impure sinners”, among many other places where they are mentioned. This is all rather consistent with the epistles of Jude and of Peter (Jude 4-16 and II Peter chapter 2).


We also have in the Dead Sea Scrolls a comparison by the writers of a woman pregnant with a son, who in her pain gives birth to “a wonderful counselor with his strength”, to “she who is pregnant with a serpent...and the breakers of the pit result in all deeds of terror” (1QHa, or 1QHodayota, col. XI). Here the “spirits of the serpent” are also called the “torrents of Belial” and “schemers of the deep”, among other such epithets. At IV Macc. 18:7-8 in the LXX Apocrypha, a noble Israelite woman was recorded as having said to her children, comparing herself to Eve (from Brenton’s English): “...I was a pure virgin, and went not beyond my father’s house; but I took care of the built-up rib. No destroyer of the desert, [or] ravisher of the plain, injured me, nor did the destructive, deceitful snake, make spoil of my chaste virginity...” (cf. Gen. 2:21-22 and 3:1-15; II Cor. 11:3). Note Acts 13:10 and John 8:44. It was a very real fact to Yahshua Christ, to the early Christians, as well as to John the Baptist (Matt. 3:7, Luke 3:7) and the pre-Christian Israelites cited here, that there were living, breathing, genetic children of the serpent, devil, or Satan walking this earth and dwelling among us. The Bible tells us again and again just who they are, and what would befall us for refusing to recognize as much.

http://christogenea.org/thedevilandsatan

seedliner
08-06-2011, 06:06 AM
They teach our race that Satan is just faulty flesh?

Notice the similarities...

“In Jewish theology, this figure (Helel in Hebrew) has nothing to do with Satan” [* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan)] and “Satan, the impulse to evil (yeẓer ha-ra), and the angel of death are one and the same personality.” [* (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/?artid=270&letter=S)] Jews are taught to pray to “Remove spiritual impediment (Lucifer) from before us and from behind us” in their Bedtime Shema prayers. [* (http://jhom.com/topics/angels/shema.htm)]

To this...

"A devil is a PERSON who actively practices sin (and probably justifies it in his mind like Pete Peters). Everybody has temptations in their heart (James 1:14) or a proclivity towards "all that is in the world" (I John 2:16). However, the devil is not in the passive details of contemplating temptation, but rather the active fulfillment of temptation resulting in sin." -Mark Downey (Pete Peters Is Satan) [* (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t189671/)]

According to jews a Bar Mitzvah can remove yeẓer ha-ra!

malachi83
08-06-2011, 07:37 PM
Questions:These are Just some questions about Satan,if you have answers to any of them...

How is there a ''Satan'' a supposed fallen angel,defeated by Michael yet this ''Satan'' is omnipresent,yet angels are NOT omnipresent,yet keep in mind before satan was a fallen angel he was an angel?

How is it that this fallen angel has managed to build up his own kingdom?(Hell)

How is it that Satan simply means ''adversary''?

How is it that Satan can enter into Judas if he was already serpent seed?(John 13:27,Luke 22:3)

Why,when talking about a Satan do we break the first commandment?(Thou shalt have no other gods before me)yet God makes it clear that there is no other God(Isaiah 44:6,Isaiah 44:8,Isaiah 45:21,Isaiah 45:22,Isaiah 46:9)

Why is it that Satan seems to have more ''power'' even though he was the one who was defeated?

In John 8:44,who did the devil ever murder? (He was a murderer from the beginning)
Yet,sin murdered man...(Romans 5:12,Romans 6:23)

How is it that ''Lucifer'' is only mentioned once in the Bible yet the meaning of that is ''morning-star'' and when in connection the reading in Strong's,it leads to Revelations,as Jesus been the ''morning star'' (Revelations 22:16)

How is it that fallen angels,can mix with women yet they also cannot because,read(2 Peter 2:4,Jude 6)

How is it that Revelations 12 is a vision and does not prove a war in heaven?(otherwise if it were literal,we would be looking for a literal ''woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars'' AND ''a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

How could Cain be a child of the devil when Eve states ''I have gotten a man from the LORD''
''I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah'' - American Standard Version

If there was a devil would that not mean he was the one made us all? read 1 John 3:8 and Romans 3:10

These are Just some questions about Satan,if you have answers to any of them...

JOHN 8:44
John 8:44:Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Who was a ''murderer from the beginning?

Romans 5:12:Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
James 1:15:Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Romans 6:23:For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Who did the devil murder? - that sin DID not murder...
Sin brought death upon man,sin was the murderer from the beginning.

1 John 3:4:Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Strongs reads ''Devil''
1228. diabolos dee-ab'-ol-os from 1225; a traducer; specially, Satan (compare 7854):--false accuser, devil, slanderer.

1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.

Deuteronomy 4:35 states:Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

''deity'' means:a. The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.
b. Deity God. Used with the.

This seems to be a contradiction with God saying '' there is none else beside him''yet devil meaning -1140 - a deity:--devil, god

Solomon
08-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Questions:These are Just some questions about Satan,if you have answers to any of them...

I'll take a stab at them.

Keep in mind that single-seedliners blame God for creating Esau and dual-seedliners teach that Eve was beguiled by the "serpent" resulting in Cain. There are only two camps regarding this.

I'll be answering these questions from a DSL standpoint.


How is there a ''Satan'' a supposed fallen angel,defeated by Michael yet this ''Satan'' is omnipresent,yet angels are NOT omnipresent,yet keep in mind before satan was a fallen angel he was an angel?

Satan was told "Get behind me" by Christ and remains there until today. Michael has yet to defeat Satan as this is a future event. They argue over the body of Moses (or the Law) in Revelation. He's cast down at the sixth trumpet.


How is it that this fallen angel has managed to build up his own kingdom?(Hell)

As I understand it "the lake of fire" is created of Yahweh and reserved for the angels that kept not their first estate.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

How is it that Satan simply means ''adversary''?

This is what the OSLs claim. Satan is a proper noun (or name) which means adversary. Yahsua means "Yah Saves" and He proved it with his life, so does God's adversary Lucifer. Almost every name in scripture means something and it's usually representative of the person's character. Peter was not a literal "rock."


How is it that Satan can enter into Judas if he was already serpent seed?(John 13:27,Luke 22:3)

Satan cannot influence those under the Holy Spirit. I put forth that Satan could enter into Judas because he was a serpent seed. He also entered Peter to deny Him (making Peter a form of antichrist or denier of the Messiah).


Why,when talking about a Satan do we break the first commandment?(Thou shalt have no other gods before me)yet God makes it clear that there is no other God(Isaiah 44:6,Isaiah 44:8,Isaiah 45:21,Isaiah 45:22,Isaiah 46:9)

It doesn't. The OSLs make this false claim. According to the same ten commands in order for something to be a false "god" one must bow down and serve it. Nobody serves the Devil by discussing his literal existence in scripture.

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God.

Why is it that Satan seems to have more ''power'' even though he was the one who was defeated?

Satan defacto is currently held in chains at the throne of God and shall be loosed at a later time. According to Enoch his bastard progeny from Genesis 6 became demons and his influence is felt through them. These are the spiritual enemies of Christendom. Jews, if you will.


In John 8:44,who did the devil ever murder? (He was a murderer from the beginning)

In the beginning Cain murdered Abel thus the first murderer was CAIN, the devil's progeny. The Devil only murdered a once pure bloodline through Eve. This is why the jews of John 8 state "we're not born of fornication" (or mixing) as Cain had been.


How is it that ''Lucifer'' is only mentioned once in the Bible yet the meaning of that is ''morning-star'' and when in connection the reading in Strong's,it leads to Revelations,as Jesus been the ''morning star'' (Revelations 22:16)

Antichrist means "instead of Christ." Satan wants to be revered like Yahweh or Yahsua thus he's a fake "morning star." I've heard Lucifer really means "early star" in keeping with the parable of the tares in which the wicked are taken first. Satan returns at the sixth seal as opposed to Christ at the seventh, thus he's an "early" star, or imposter claiming to be Yahsua.

When it comes to 'rapture' we'll all want to be left behind.


How is it that fallen angels,can mix with women yet they also cannot because,read(2 Peter 2:4,Jude 6)

Both 2nd Peter and Jude address the angels that fell in Genesis 6. They're not to fall again until the time appointed or "the stars fall from heaven" in Revelation being "reserved unto judgment." There's a difference between "giving and taking in marriage" and outright rape. Angels certainly can reproduce as seen in the days of Noah.


How could Cain be a child of the devil when Eve states ''I have gotten a man from the LORD''

''I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah'' - American Standard Version

Eve was the mother of all living, that's what her name means. Only the false OSLs deny the meaning of her name as she's the progenator of both rightous and wicked seedlines. All souls come from God thus even though Cain was fathered of Satan she begot a man from Yahweh.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Great questions, BTW. I'm looking forward to see how this thread develops.

malachi83
08-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Hi Solomon,

Satan was told "Get behind me" by Christ and remains there until today. Michael has yet to defeat Satan as this is a future event. They argue over the body of Moses (or the Law) in Revelation. He's cast down at the sixth trumpet.

I thought the ''War in heaven'' already happened that is why there IS a satan,and fallen angels?????(Revelation 12:7) ''And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.''

Get behind me, Satan! - Jesus said that to Peter because Peter was preventing Jesus from his work,Peter was being a stumbling block
Matthew 16:21-23:21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Jesus was talking to Peter because Peter was an adversary in that situation.

As I understand it "the lake of fire" is created of Yahweh and reserved for the angels that kept not their first estate.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

From what I have gathered the lake of fire is symbolic of God's law(Daniel 7:9,Daniel 7:10,Deut. 33:2) - if it is reserved for fallen angels where are they now,in the lake of fire or roaming the earth?

Satan cannot influence those under the Holy Spirit. I put forth that Satan could enter into Judas because he was a serpent seed. He also entered Peter to deny Him (making Peter a form of antichrist or denier of the Messiah).

Then that would make Peter serpent seed...If Judas was an Israelite,like all the other Apostles,he Just fell away...
Iscariot meaning:2469. Iskariotes is-kar-ee-o'-tace of Hebrew origin (probably 377 and 7149); inhabitant of Kerioth; Iscariotes (i.e. Keriothite), an epithet of Judas the traitor:--Iscariot.
Judas may have been an Israelite from a Jewish town,who fell to an adversary(1 Timothy 6:10) - why would Jesus pick one Edomite Jew?
Peter also fell but was restored as an Apostle(do you love me more than these?)John 21, when he denied Jesus - Does that make Peter an Edomite Jew? Judas killed himself,so he could not be restored to his position as an Apostle..
We can't base that a man was an Edomite Jew because of his ''town'' that would be like saying Ruth was a Moabitess and not an Israelite..

It doesn't. The OSLs make this false claim. According to the same ten commands in order for something to be a false "god" one must bow down and serve it. Nobody serves the Devil by discussing his literal existence in scripture.

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God.

But it is also stated - Isaiah 44:6:Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Satan defacto is currently held in chains at the throne of God and shall be loosed at a later time. According to Enoch his bastard progeny from Genesis 6 became demons and his influence is felt through them. These are the spiritual enemies of Christendom. Jews, if you will.

If Satan is held in chains,how could he seduce Eve? or tempt Jesus?

In the beginning Cain murdered Abel thus the first murderer was CAIN, the devil's progeny. The Devil only murdered a once pure bloodline through Eve. This is why the jews of John 8 state "we're not born of fornication" (or mixing) as Cain had been.

Cain was NOT the devil! - the devil did not murder anyone yet it states ''He was a murderer from the beginning''

Romans 6:23:For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. -
Romans 5:12:Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Sin murdered from the beginning.

Who was it? The devil or sin?

Antichrist means "instead of Christ." Satan wants to be revered like Yahweh or Yahsua thus he's a fake "morning star." I've heard Lucifer really means "early star" in keeping with the parable of the tares in which the wicked are taken first. Satan returns at the sixth seal as opposed to Christ at the seventh, thus he's an "early" star, or imposter claiming to be Yahsua.

When it comes to 'rapture' we'll all want to be left behind.




Isaiah 14:4:you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

How the oppressor has come to an end!
How his fury[a] has ended!
- NIV

''taunt'' means:1. To reproach in a mocking, insulting, or contemptuous manner. See Synonyms at ridicule.
2. To drive or incite (a person) by taunting.

Isaiah 14:12:How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

- NIV
This was against the King of Babylon - Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible,in that very passage about the king of Babylon,the meaning been ''the morning-star'' - How is he connected with Satan?

Both 2nd Peter and Jude address the angels that fell in Genesis 6. They're not to fall again until the time appointed or "the stars fall from heaven" in Revelation being "reserved unto judgment." There's a difference between "giving and taking in marriage" and outright rape. Angels certainly can reproduce as seen in the days of Noah.

''giants'' in Genesis 6 means in Strongs:5303 nphiyl nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant.
Genesis 6 could also mean Seth's descendents mixing with Cain's descendents..

''24 After this a hundred men of the children of Seth gathered together, and said among themselves, "Come, let us go down to the children of Cain, and see what they do, and enjoy ourselves with them."

''32 Then Satan made them look most beautiful before the sons of Seth, as he also made the sons of Seth appear of the fairest in the eyes of the daughters of Cain, so that the daughters of Cain lusted after the sons of

p. 79

[paragraph continues] Seth like ravenous beasts, and the sons of Seth after the daughters of Cain, until they committed abomination with them.

- CHAP. XX. The Second Book of Adam and Eve

These angels in Jude 6 are already reserved so how could they reproduce?
Are we to say they had sex with women in Noah's time but somehow they are now in chains?
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Eve was the mother of all living, that's what her name means. Only the false OSLs deny the meaning of her name as she's the progenator of both rightous and wicked seedlines. All souls come from God thus even though Cain was fathered of Satan she begot a man from Yahweh.

In the Bible,which any passage describes Cain as a child of Satan,and in Genesis 3 how do we see ''Sex'' that we cannot see in plain disobedience?

seedliner
08-07-2011, 07:41 PM
In the Bible,which any passage describes Cain as a child of Satan?

"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous." ( 1Jn 3:11-12 )

In Strong's "of" means "a primary preposition denoting origin."

Also consider the term "kenite" which means "sons of Cain."

malachi83
08-08-2011, 12:47 AM
"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous." ( 1Jn 3:11-12 )

In Strong's "of" means "a primary preposition denoting origin."

Also consider the term "kenite" which means "sons of Cain."

Read the verse before 1 John 3:12
''11For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.'' - English Standard Version
Consider verse 15 as well ''15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.'' - English Standard Version
An Israelite can hate an Israelite,which would make that Israelite exactly like Cain,a murderer!

1 John 3:12 does not necessarily prove that Cain was of Satan,Just read verse 15 and it could apply to Israelites...
That verse is comparing Unrighteous Cain to Righteous Abel, in a way,giving an example.

12 not as Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous. - American Standard Version

7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).

7017 Qeyniy kay-nee' or Qiyniy (1 Chron. 2:55) {kee-nee'}; patronymic from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:--Kenite.

If that is so,that the Kenite is sons of Cain,then Moses's father in law was from Cain!
Judges 1:16:And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.

The NIV reads it ''The descendants of Moses’ father-in-law, the Kenite''

Judges 4:11:Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Judges 4:17:Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.

Judges 5:24:Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

So much for racial purity,if Moses's own father in law was a Kenite then Moses wife must have been a Kenite which would mean Moses married into Cain's line...
We hear talk of Moses's wife been an Ethiopian,a black woman - but Strong's 7014 would show ''and of an Oriental tribe''
In Judges 5:24 a kenite is ''Blessed''

Solomon
08-09-2011, 12:30 PM
I thought the ''War in heaven'' already happened that is why there IS a satan,and fallen angels?????

Everything seemingly comes full circle after Apocalypse back to Genesis but The Revelation of Jesus Christ only deals with “things which must shortly come to pass” (1:1). I believe this is a future event.

The catobole was Satan’s first overthrow as found in the Hebrew Genesis 1:2 (tohu va bohu). This is why the earth BECAME without form and void (2Pe 3:5-6) and Adam man was told to REplenish the earth.

"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger" (Jer 4:23-26).


Get behind me, Satan! - Jesus said that to Peter because Peter was preventing Jesus from his work,Peter was being a stumbling block

Jesus tells Satan to get behind Him in Luke 4:6-8; “The devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

Simple man can’t give Christ the world, it belongs to “the prince of this world” (Joh 12:31, Eph 2:2, etc.) which is Satan. This same Lucifer was “going to and fro in the earth” when asked by God in Job 1:7 because it was his.


From what I have gathered the lake of fire is symbolic of God's law(Daniel 7:9,Daniel 7:10,Deut. 33:2) - if it is reserved for fallen angels where are they now,in the lake of fire or roaming the earth?

Enoch expands in I Enoch 15:7-8; "I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven. Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth."

The fallen watchers are bound in chains, their demonic offspring roam the earth.


1st Enoch 20

1These are the names of the angels who watch.
2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over clamor and terror.
3Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.
4Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.
5Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.
6Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.
7Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, over paradise, and over the cherubim.

Dan 4:23; "The king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven."



Then that would make Peter serpent seed...

Exactly!

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son" (1Jn 2:22).

Yet the papacy still make the erroneous claim that he was the first “pope” by mistranslating Petros as Pater (or “father”). This is likely why so many reformers considered the pope antichrist:


John Knox was a Scottish Reformer and former slave who stated that the pope should easily be recognized as “the very antichrist.” Like many others listed, he denounced Rome.

When speaking of the papacy, John Wesley (founder of the Methodist church) said, “He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure.”

Martin Luther began the Reformation by nailing his Theses to the door of Wittenberg Church. He also was quoted as saying, “The papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.”

Upper-class lawyer and reformer John Calvin once said, “We call the Roman pontiff Antichrist.” Calvin is well-known for his commentaries and the Institutes of the Christian Church.

Bible scholar Charles Spurgeon taught, “We must warn with Judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must tell them of the black doings of Popery.”

Thomas Cranmer, creator of the English Reformed Church, is quoted as saying, ”Wherefore it followeth Rome to be the seat of Antichrist, and the pope to be the very antichrist himself.”


If Judas was an Israelite,like all the other Apostles,he Just fell away...
why would Jesus pick one Edomite Jew?

For the same reason God chose Satan to do His bidding but “but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born” (Mat 26:24).

As I understand it Kerioth was only Judas’ place of residence thus Iscariot is not Judas’ last name, just a description of where he lived. Scribes attributed Iscariot to Judas’ name to differentiate him from Judas, the physical brother of Christ.


We can't base that a man was an Edomite Jew because of his ''town'' that would be like saying Ruth was a Moabitess and not an Israelite..

Agreed.


But it is also stated - Isaiah 44:6:Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

The first commandment proves there’s other gods yet they’re not “gods” compared to Yahweh:


Psa 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psa 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 97:9 For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.
Psa 135:5 For I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.

Yahweh is the “God of gods.” :wink:


This was against the King of Babylon - Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible,in that very passage about the king of Babylon,the meaning been ''the morning-star'' - How is he connected with Satan?

Indeed, but Satan IS the king of Babylon as Babel means confusion. God is not the author of confusion (1Co 14:33) meaning that Satan IS. Any earthly "king" that rules opposite of Yahweh is under Satan's antichrist influence. Think Obama or George Bush.

Furthermore, no man can fall from heaven:


Isa 14:12; "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Yet Christ says angels can:


Luk 10:18; "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

Satan is Lucifer and vise-versa.


Genesis 6 could also mean Seth's descendents mixing with Cain's descendents..

Great quote! The source of debate comes from the meaning of "Sons of God" in Genesis 6.

I feel Enoch (and Job 38:7) prove they're angels;


I Enoch / Chapter 7

1It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).

3Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;

4And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.

5But they answered him and said; We all swear;

6And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.

7Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, (4) which is the top of mount Armon.

(4) Upon Ardis. Or, "in the days of Jared" (R.H. Charles, ed. and trans., The Book of Enoch [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1893], p. 63).

8That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, (5) and bound themselves by mutual execrations.

(5) Mt. Armon, or Mt. Hermon, derives its name from the Hebrew word herem, a curse (Charles, p. 63).

9These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them. (6)

(6) The Aramaic texts preserve an earlier list of names of these Watchers: Semihazah; Artqoph; Ramtel; Kokabel; Ramel; Danieal; Zeqiel; Baraqel; Asael; Hermoni; Matarel; Ananel; Stawel; Samsiel; Sahriel; Tummiel; Turiel; Yomiel; Yhaddiel (Milik, p. 151).

10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11And the women conceiving brought forth giants, (7)

(7) The Greek texts vary considerably from the Ethiopic text here. One Greek manuscript adds to this section, "And they [the women] bore to them [the Watchers] three races–first, the great giants. The giants brought forth [some say "slew"] the Naphelim, and the Naphelim brought forth [or "slew"] the Elioud. And they existed, increasing in power according to their greatness." See the account in the Book of Jubilees.

12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

13When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;

14And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, (8) and to drink their blood.

(8) Their flesh one after another. Or, "one another’s flesh." R.H. Charles notes that this phrase may refer to the destruction of one class of giants by another (Charles, p. 65).

15Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.


These angels in Jude 6 are already reserved so how could they reproduce?

Are we to say they had sex with women in Noah's time but somehow they are now in chains?

I believe they’re in chains because they had sex with women in Noah’s time.

Great discussion so far, malachi83.

malachi83
08-09-2011, 07:58 PM
Everything seemingly comes full circle after Apocalypse back to Genesis but The Revelation of Jesus Christ only deals with “things which must shortly come to pass” (1:1). I believe this is a future event.

The catobole was Satan’s first overthrow as found in the Hebrew Genesis 1:2 (tohu va bohu). This is why the earth BECAME without form and void (2Pe 3:5-6) and Adam man was told to REplenish the earth.

"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger" (Jer 4:23-26).



Jesus tells Satan to get behind Him in Luke 4:6-8; “The devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

Simple man can’t give Christ the world, it belongs to “the prince of this world” (Joh 12:31, Eph 2:2, etc.) which is Satan. This same Lucifer was “going to and fro in the earth” when asked by God in Job 1:7 because it was his.



Enoch expands in I Enoch 15:7-8; "I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven. Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth."

The fallen watchers are bound in chains, their demonic offspring roam the earth.


1st Enoch 20

1These are the names of the angels who watch.
2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over clamor and terror.
3Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.
4Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.
5Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.
6Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.
7Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, over paradise, and over the cherubim.

Dan 4:23; "The king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven."




Exactly!

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son" (1Jn 2:22).

Yet the papacy still make the erroneous claim that he was the first “pope” by mistranslating Petros as Pater (or “father”). This is likely why so many reformers considered the pope antichrist:


John Knox was a Scottish Reformer and former slave who stated that the pope should easily be recognized as “the very antichrist.” Like many others listed, he denounced Rome.

When speaking of the papacy, John Wesley (founder of the Methodist church) said, “He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure.”

Martin Luther began the Reformation by nailing his Theses to the door of Wittenberg Church. He also was quoted as saying, “The papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.”

Upper-class lawyer and reformer John Calvin once said, “We call the Roman pontiff Antichrist.” Calvin is well-known for his commentaries and the Institutes of the Christian Church.

Bible scholar Charles Spurgeon taught, “We must warn with Judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must tell them of the black doings of Popery.”

Thomas Cranmer, creator of the English Reformed Church, is quoted as saying, ”Wherefore it followeth Rome to be the seat of Antichrist, and the pope to be the very antichrist himself.”



For the same reason God chose Satan to do His bidding but “but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born” (Mat 26:24).

As I understand it Kerioth was only Judas’ place of residence thus Iscariot is not Judas’ last name, just a description of where he lived. Scribes attributed Iscariot to Judas’ name to differentiate him from Judas, the physical brother of Christ.



Agreed.



The first commandment proves there’s other gods yet they’re not “gods” compared to Yahweh:


Psa 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psa 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 97:9 For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.
Psa 135:5 For I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.

Yahweh is the “God of gods.” :wink:



Indeed, but Satan IS the king of Babylon as Babel means confusion. God is not the author of confusion (1Co 14:33) meaning that Satan IS. Any earthly "king" that rules opposite of Yahweh is under Satan's antichrist influence. Think Obama or George Bush.

Furthermore, no man can fall from heaven:


Isa 14:12; "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Yet Christ says angels can:


Luk 10:18; "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

Satan is Lucifer and vise-versa.



Great quote! The source of debate comes from the meaning of "Sons of God" in Genesis 6.

I feel Enoch (and Job 38:7) prove they're angels;


I Enoch / Chapter 7

1It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).

3Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;

4And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.

5But they answered him and said; We all swear;

6And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.

7Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, (4) which is the top of mount Armon.

(4) Upon Ardis. Or, "in the days of Jared" (R.H. Charles, ed. and trans., The Book of Enoch [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1893], p. 63).

8That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, (5) and bound themselves by mutual execrations.

(5) Mt. Armon, or Mt. Hermon, derives its name from the Hebrew word herem, a curse (Charles, p. 63).

9These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them. (6)

(6) The Aramaic texts preserve an earlier list of names of these Watchers: Semihazah; Artqoph; Ramtel; Kokabel; Ramel; Danieal; Zeqiel; Baraqel; Asael; Hermoni; Matarel; Ananel; Stawel; Samsiel; Sahriel; Tummiel; Turiel; Yomiel; Yhaddiel (Milik, p. 151).

10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11And the women conceiving brought forth giants, (7)

(7) The Greek texts vary considerably from the Ethiopic text here. One Greek manuscript adds to this section, "And they [the women] bore to them [the Watchers] three races–first, the great giants. The giants brought forth [some say "slew"] the Naphelim, and the Naphelim brought forth [or "slew"] the Elioud. And they existed, increasing in power according to their greatness." See the account in the Book of Jubilees.

12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

13When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;

14And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, (8) and to drink their blood.

(8) Their flesh one after another. Or, "one another’s flesh." R.H. Charles notes that this phrase may refer to the destruction of one class of giants by another (Charles, p. 65).

15Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.



I believe they’re in chains because they had sex with women in Noah’s time.

Great discussion so far, malachi83.

The first commandment proves there’s other gods yet they’re not “gods” compared to Yahweh:

Psa 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psa 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 97:9 For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.
Psa 135:5 For I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.



Yahweh is the “God of gods.”

The other gods may be talking about idols
1 Corinthians 8:4:As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
If there are other ''gods'' wouldn't that make Satan an idol???
And a belief in a fallen angel,called Satan who had sex with Eve,wouldn't that be Idolatry?
Isaiah 43:10:Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Indeed, but Satan IS the king of Babylon as Babel means confusion. God is not the author of confusion (1Co 14:33) meaning that Satan IS. Any earthly "king" that rules opposite of Yahweh is under Satan's antichrist influence. Think Obama or George Bush.

Furthermore, no man can fall from heaven:

Isa 14:12; "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"



Yet Christ says angels can:

Luk 10:18; "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."



Satan is Lucifer and vise-versa.

I don't think it necessarily has to be ''Heaven'' Just a high place,a high positon or so and such for example a man as a king,a powerful man falling from his throne and losing his kingdom,think of a disgraced priest or bishop been kicked out by his congregaton...notice how it also states ''nations'' - Did Satan rule a nation?
Isaiah 14:19-20:19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.

Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again. - NIV
Sounds like a man - ''for you have destroyed your land'' ''and killed your people''
Did Satan own land and rule people - keep in mind this was a taunt(Isaiah 14:4)
As for 1 Corinthians 14:33 - Man can be the author of confusion..Just look at the world

Regarding Luke 10,read verse 17:17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.” and Luke 10 verse 19:19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.
They were able to cure sicknesses and overcome the power of the enemy that statement ''I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven'' may be a figure of speech used to state the Apostles victory over the enemy..
Luke 10:3:Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves.
A figure of speech or were the apostles literal lambs and the people literal wolves?


The fallen watchers are bound in chains, their demonic offspring roam the earth.


The fallen watchers are bound in chains, their demonic offspring roam the earth.
If they were allowed to have sex,did God change his mind and bound them in chains AFTER letting them have sex with women,creating demonic offsrping
Malachi 3:6:For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Why would God who does not change let fallen watchers get women pregnant with,demonic offspring then bind them in chains?

Jesus tells Satan to get behind Him in Luke 4:6-8; “The devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

How do we know a Satan was there? - think of it,Did Jesus tell his apostles that he was tempted by Satan or were those simply his own thoughts that he told his apostles(Luke 4:2)?Or was someone else besides Satan there with Jesus who was able to record the events?
Luke 4:10-11:10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Satan was quoting Scripture - Psalm 91
11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
I believe they’re in chains because they had sex with women in Noah’s time.

How could they possibly do so and then be bound,why would God allow such an event to take place?
''Giants'' In Genesis is:5303 nphiyl nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant.
''Bully'' - ''tyrant'' they could be used as terms for men,it does not state ''demon''

Good discussion!

malachi83
08-09-2011, 11:58 PM
I have another question -Doesn't the two seedline doctrine contradict itself?
For example,to prove the Jews are serpent seed,and that Cain came through Eve and the Serpent we use Jewish resources..that speak of Eve been seduced by the serpent.
Isn't that a contradiction that the two seedline doctrine condemns Jews as serpent seed but to do it uses THEIR(the Jews) resources?
If the Jews are serpent seed,then why are their resources one of the resources that frames the two seedline doctrine?At least the seduction bit?
Wouldn't it be WRONG to use Jewish resources,keeping in mind,that a lot of what Jews have in their talmud is nonsense?
If we take away the ''seduction'' from the Jews resources then there will be no two seedline,except what would be in the Bible,but where are the direct passages about sex - so Isn't part of this a Jewish teaching?(Two-Seedline doctrine)

James 1:8:A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
1 Corinthians 10:20-21:20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html - The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today
by Elizabeth Dilling

JamesTheJust
08-10-2011, 11:38 AM
malachi83,

Many things are still open to interpretation and I have found extremely good information from various CI study sites. It is a question where the metaphorical meets the literal.

This leads to questions concerning the fallen angles literally chained in darkness.

Here are parts one and two concerning that topic.

Enjoy.

http://emahiser.christogenea.org/site/other-biblical-studies/387-the-angels-that-sinned-qchained-in-darknessq-part-1

http://emahiser.christogenea.org/site/other-biblical-studies/388-the-angels-that-sinned-qchained-in-darknessq-part-2

malachi83
08-11-2011, 08:02 PM
malachi83,

Many things are still open to interpretation and I have found extremely good information from various CI study sites. It is a question where the metaphorical meets the literal.

This leads to questions concerning the fallen angles literally chained in darkness.

Here are parts one and two concerning that topic.

Enjoy.

http://emahiser.christogenea.org/site/other-biblical-studies/387-the-angels-that-sinned-qchained-in-darknessq-part-1

http://emahiser.christogenea.org/site/other-biblical-studies/388-the-angels-that-sinned-qchained-in-darknessq-part-2

If many things are ''still open to interpretation'' does that mean it is WRONG to criticize single seed liners and the No Satan doctrine?
Is it hypocritical to do so if they have their own interpretation or is proving the Jews are serpent seed so important that single seed liners need to be criticized,for their OWN interpretation of the Bible?
Should the single seed liners and the Dual seed liners find a way to get along without their doctrines getting in the way?If we are Israel but interpret the Bible differently...

Solomon
08-12-2011, 01:00 AM
The other gods may be talking about idols

I’m pretty certain it is:


Psalm 96:5; "For all the gods of the nations are idols: but Yahweh made the heavens."

Yahweh is only God to the people (or nation) of Israel, thus all other “gods” are snares;


Amos 3:2; "You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

This was seen by Solomon’s example;


"For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with Yahweh his God, as was the heart of David his father" (1 Kings 11:4).

Satan has his own race, or nation, of creatures and they're sure not "God's chosen." :grin:


If there are other ''gods'' wouldn't that make Satan an idol???

Sure, if we bow down and serve him;


Exodus 20:5; "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Yahweh thy God am a jealous God."

ANY form of angel worship is forbidden in the Bible.


And a belief in a fallen angel,called Satan who had sex with Eve,wouldn't that be Idolatry?

If that belief contradicted the harmony of scripture and was all a Christian focused on I suppose it could be.

On the other hand, I don’t see how believing Satan beguiled Eve as scripture states would be any more "idolatry" than believing the other gods listed (like Molech, Dagon, Baal-Peor, Asteroth, etc.) are literal.


If they were allowed to have sex,did God change his mind and bound them in chains AFTER letting them have sex with women,creating demonic offsrping

Not at all. God is in control and the watchers play a significant role in His cosmic order. Much like both Judas' and Satan's betrayals work for good in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

They get tormented day and night forever and we get the Kingdom!


Why would God who does not change let fallen watchers get women pregnant with,demonic offspring then bind them in chains?

The Grigori were reserved to be “wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 1:13). The future purpose of the Irin according to the Bible and Enoch are to kill a third of mankind in the Day of the Lord;


Enoch XVIII:

1 The angels took me on to the fifth heaven and placed me, and there I saw many and countless soldiers, called Grigori, of human appearance, and their size was greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual, and there was no service on the fifth heaven, and I said to the men who were with me:

2 Wherefore are these very withered and their faces melancholy, and their mouths silent, and wherefore is there no service on this heaven?

3 And they said to me: These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on to earth from the Lord's throne, to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity.

4 And therefore God judged them with great judgement, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord's great day.

5 And I said to the Grigori: 'I saw your brethren and their works, and their great torments, and I prayed for them, but the Lord has condemned them to be under earth till heaven and earth shall end for ever.'

6 And I said: 'Wherefore do you wait, brethren, and do not serve before the Lord's face, and have not put your services before the Lord's face, lest you anger your Lord utterly?'

7 And they listened to my admonition, and spoke to the four ranks in heaven, and lo! as I stood with those two men four trumpets trumpeted together with great voice, and the Grigori broke into song with one voice, and their voice went up before the Lord pitifully and affectingly.

Revelation 8:10-11; "The third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."


Did Jesus tell his apostles that he was tempted by Satan or were those simply his own thoughts that he told his apostles(Luke 4:2)?

Luke 4:2 says Jesus was “forty days tempted of the devil.” I highly doubt they were His own thoughts else Christ was imperfect, contradicting scripture;


Hebrews 5:9; "Being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him."

Christ was made perfect through His sacrifice, Satan lost perfection at his fall;


Ezekiel 28:15; "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."


Or was someone else besides Satan there with Jesus who was able to record the events?

There were other angels there besides Satan to witness the event;


Mark 1:13; "He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him."
Matthew 4:11; "Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."


''Giants'' In Genesis is:5303 nphiyl nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant.

''Bully'' - ''tyrant'' they could be used as terms for men,it does not state ''demon''

They would be some very tall men;


Numbers 13:33; "There we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

The interesting thing about this word is it comes from a prime root that means “cast down, fallen or rejected.” To me it seems more likely that the Sons of God of Genesis 6 were fallen angels.

malachi83
08-12-2011, 07:08 PM
I’m pretty certain it is:


Psalm 96:5; "For all the gods of the nations are idols: but Yahweh made the heavens."

Yahweh is only God to the people (or nation) of Israel, thus all other “gods” are snares;


Amos 3:2; "You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

This was seen by Solomon’s example;


"For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with Yahweh his God, as was the heart of David his father" (1 Kings 11:4).

Satan has his own race, or nation, of creatures and they're sure not "God's chosen." :grin:



Sure, if we bow down and serve him;


Exodus 20:5; "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Yahweh thy God am a jealous God."

ANY form of angel worship is forbidden in the Bible.



If that belief contradicted the harmony of scripture and was all a Christian focused on I suppose it could be.

On the other hand, I don’t see how believing Satan beguiled Eve as scripture states would be any more "idolatry" than believing the other gods listed (like Molech, Dagon, Baal-Peor, Asteroth, etc.) are literal.



Not at all. God is in control and the watchers play a significant role in His cosmic order. Much like both Judas' and Satan's betrayals work for good in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

They get tormented day and night forever and we get the Kingdom!



The Grigori were reserved to be “wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 1:13). The future purpose of the Irin according to the Bible and Enoch are to kill a third of mankind in the Day of the Lord;


Enoch XVIII:

1 The angels took me on to the fifth heaven and placed me, and there I saw many and countless soldiers, called Grigori, of human appearance, and their size was greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual, and there was no service on the fifth heaven, and I said to the men who were with me:

2 Wherefore are these very withered and their faces melancholy, and their mouths silent, and wherefore is there no service on this heaven?

3 And they said to me: These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on to earth from the Lord's throne, to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity.

4 And therefore God judged them with great judgement, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord's great day.

5 And I said to the Grigori: 'I saw your brethren and their works, and their great torments, and I prayed for them, but the Lord has condemned them to be under earth till heaven and earth shall end for ever.'

6 And I said: 'Wherefore do you wait, brethren, and do not serve before the Lord's face, and have not put your services before the Lord's face, lest you anger your Lord utterly?'

7 And they listened to my admonition, and spoke to the four ranks in heaven, and lo! as I stood with those two men four trumpets trumpeted together with great voice, and the Grigori broke into song with one voice, and their voice went up before the Lord pitifully and affectingly.

Revelation 8:10-11; "The third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."



Luke 4:2 says Jesus was “forty days tempted of the devil.” I highly doubt they were His own thoughts else Christ was imperfect, contradicting scripture;


Hebrews 5:9; "Being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him."

Christ was made perfect through His sacrifice, Satan lost perfection at his fall;


Ezekiel 28:15; "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."



There were other angels there besides Satan to witness the event;


Mark 1:13; "He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him."
Matthew 4:11; "Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."



They would be some very tall men;


Numbers 13:33; "There we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

The interesting thing about this word is it comes from a prime root that means “cast down, fallen or rejected.” To me it seems more likely that the Sons of God of Genesis 6 were fallen angels.

I’m pretty certain it is:

Psalm 96:5; "For all the gods of the nations are idols: but Yahweh made the heavens."



Yahweh is only God to the people (or nation) of Israel, thus all other “gods” are snares;

Amos 3:2; "You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."



This was seen by Solomon’s example;

"For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with Yahweh his God, as was the heart of David his father" (1 Kings 11:4).



Satan has his own race, or nation, of creatures and they're sure not "God's chosen."

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. - Isaiah 43:11

And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God. - Exodus 29:45

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. - Isaiah 44:6

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. - Isaiah 45:22

Look at it this way - If the Jews are Serpent seed then there are 2 gods.Now how did a fallen angel,become a god?

In a way it is Idolatry,is it not?

The two seedline doctrine has built up another God to be the creator of the Jews.

To say the Jews are serpent seed,and their father is the devil,yet ''devil'' is not mentioned in the Old Testament,only in plural is it mentioned as ''devils''

Who creates evil?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isaiah 45:7

Nothing about a fallen angel creating evil..

If that belief contradicted the harmony of scripture and was all a Christian focused on I suppose it could be.

On the other hand, I don’t see how believing Satan beguiled Eve as scripture states would be any more "idolatry" than believing the other gods listed (like Molech, Dagon, Baal-Peor, Asteroth, etc.) are literal.

The seduction is a Jewish teaching.

If such a union did take place that would make Eve and adultress,so the first white woman on earth would be an adultress.

Judaism is not ancient Israel it is Babylon!!!

Keep in mind,the Jews are anti christ..but the basis for two seedline is in Jewish teaching..

It does make it a bit ''anti-christian'' doesn't it? this two seedline teaching?

Let me ask this - Out of all the trees in eden,Eve was allowed to have sex with one,though she wasn't supposed to? Could Eve eat of the other trees? Would it have been one big interracial party?

Read these verses...

Genesis 2:17:But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 2:16:And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Verse 16 is saying ''you are allowed to have intercourse''

Eat is 398 in Strong's and is the same in Genesis 3.

Tree is 6086 in Strong's and is the same in Genesis 3.

If Eve had sex with the serpent,then reading chapters 2 v16 would mean she was allowed to eat with other trees!!!

Luke 4:2 says Jesus was “forty days tempted of the devil.” I highly doubt they were His own thoughts else Christ was imperfect, contradicting scripture;

Hebrews 5:9; "Being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him."



Christ was made perfect through His sacrifice, Satan lost perfection at his fall;

Ezekiel 28:15; "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

I'm not sure Ezekiel 28 is talking about a literal satan as much as it is talking about the King of Tyre..

Verse 2 of Ezekiel 28 '' 2 “Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: '' - NIV

''But you are a mere mortal and not a god, '' - verse 2 NIV

Verse 12 ''12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. '' - NIV

''Eden'' In Ezekiel 28,well Eden is mentioned in Ezekiel 27:23 ''“‘Harran, Kanneh and Eden and merchants of Sheba, Ashur and Kilmad traded with you.'' - NIV

Ezekiel 27 verse 2 ''2 “2 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning Tyre.'' - NIV

It is about Tyre - Did they trade in the garden of Eden?Were there merchants in the garden of Eden?




Hebrews 2:14:Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hebrews 2:16 -17:16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:18:For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Jesus took on the body of a man,to redeem his people,so in Luke 4:2 wouldn't it be right in saying Jesus was tempted like a man?

Notice in Luke 4:2 where it says ''And in those days he did eat nothing:'' ''he afterward hungered.''

Men get hungry,people get hungry.

These Just could have been thoughts...

Isn't hunger a lust(James 1:13-15)??

There were other angels there besides Satan to witness the event;
Yes,but ''angels'' in strong's can mean :32. aggelos ang'-el-os from aggello (probably derived from 71; compare 34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:--angel, messenger.

Notice,Pastor,messenger.

They would be some very tall men;

Numbers 13:33; "There we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

The interesting thing about this word is it comes from a prime root that means “cast down, fallen or rejected.” To me it seems more likely that the Sons of God of Genesis 6 were fallen angels.


Tall men,are we talking about 15 feet tall or men of ''great power and strength''
Or maybe men born of men i.e Seth's descendents mixing with Cain's - That's falling away..

Solomon
08-15-2011, 01:08 AM
Look at it this way - If the Jews are Serpent seed then there are 2 gods.

There are a lot more than that according to scripture;


1Co 8:5; “There be gods many, and lords many.”

There are tons of false “gods” in scripture and simply noting this does not violate the first commandment as we serve Yahweh only.


Who creates evil?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isaiah 45:7

Nothing about a fallen angel creating evil.

Indeed. Yahweh created Satan (initially perfect) as He has no place in evil;


1 Corinthians 14:33: "God is not the author of confusion."

For if He is the author of evil, then He must be the author of confusion as well. This doesn't jive with other verses;


“There is no iniquity with the LORD our God.” 2 Chronicles 19:7
“Far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.” Job 34:10
“For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.” Psalms 5:4
“To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.” Psalms 92:15
“For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth. To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the LORD approveth not.” Lamentations 3:33-36

Isaiah 45:7 only claims that Yahweh creates darkness and evil, not that He IS evil as OSLs claim.


“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:” James 1:13

James is the single-seedliners favorite "proof-text" yet the passages only confirm there’s a “tempter” that appeals through the flesh which isn’t Yahweh.


The seduction is a Jewish teaching.

While I agree the seduction is mentioned in the talMUD (in addition to other texts) it never once states the jews are the children of Satan as dual-seedline does.

It’s actually a Biblical teaching;


2Co 11:3; "I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled [G1818] Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

G1818: exapataō - From G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly: - beguile, deceive.

Note that exapataō comes (once again) from the prime root "ek ex" meaning “of origin.”

Furthermore;


Gen 3:3; "Of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch [H5060] it, lest ye die."

Note that "touch" in Strong’s means “to lie with a woman.”


If such a union did take place that would make Eve and adultress,so the first white woman on earth would be an adultress.

Indeed – the original sin.

Just look at our women today. They likely race-trade more than any other nation.


It is about Tyre - Did they trade in the garden of Eden?Were there merchants in the garden of Eden?

Simply hop up two verses and see who it’s addressing; “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” (Ezekiel 28:13-14).

Yes, Tyre (the false "rock" Satan) was both in Eden and a cherub. Tyre comes from the prime root "adversary" which is Satan's name.


Yes,but ''angels'' in strong's can mean :32. aggelos ang'-el-os from aggello (probably derived from 71; compare 34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:--angel, messenger.

That definition says "especially an angel" (meaning they're real) yet can sometimes be translated (only by implication) "men." This also raises the question “What is an arch angel?”

archaggelos 744 - a chief angel, i.e. archangel "a ruler of angels, a superior angel, an archangel"

Strong's defines them as angels alone, never men.

Great thread so far!

malachi83
08-15-2011, 07:47 PM
Indeed. Yahweh created Satan (initially perfect) as He has no place in evil;

1 Corinthians 14:33: "God is not the author of confusion."



For if He is the author of evil, then He must be the author of confusion as well. This doesn't jive with other verses;

“There is no iniquity with the LORD our God.” 2 Chronicles 19:7
“Far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.” Job 34:10
“For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.” Psalms 5:4
“To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.” Psalms 92:15
“For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth. To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the LORD approveth not.” Lamentations 3:33-36



Isaiah 45:7 only claims that Yahweh creates darkness and evil, not that He IS evil as OSLs claim.

“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:” James 1:13



James is the single-seedliners favorite "proof-text" yet the passages only confirm there’s a “tempter” that appeals through the flesh which isn’t Yahweh.

The first time Satan is mentioned in the OT is 1 Chronicles 21:1,and it reads:
Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. - NIV

Satan in that verse is 7854 and could be ''adversary''

2 Samuel 24:1:Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.” - NIV

Compare the verses of Samuel and 1 Chronicles -Do we have a contradiction?

The next time Satan is mentioned is in Job.

Job 2:3:Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.” - NIV

Who did it? Satan or God? notice how it says '' though you incited me against him ''
Satan is mentioned 11 times in Job.

Job 19:21:“Have pity on me, my friends, have pity,
for the hand of God has struck me. - NIV
Yet it was God who brought these things upon Job!

It seems the only thing Satan did was give Job boils(Job 2:7)

Why would Satan go with the sons of god to meet God??????(Job 1:6) - NIV

Job 1:6:Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. - KJV

The sons of God could have been Adamites,and satan could have been an Adamite as well but used in Job as ''adversary'' because he asked for these things to happen to Job instead of doing them himself!!!!

Job 1:11:But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

ADVERSARY

1 Kings 11:14:Then the LORD raised up against Solomon an adversary, Hadad the Edomite, from the royal line of Edom. - NIV (this adversary was a man)yet it is 7854 in strong's ''satan saw-tawn'

1 Kings 11:23:And God raised up against Solomon another adversary, Rezon son of Eliada, who had fled from his master, Hadadezer king of Zobah. - NIV

Numbers 22:22:And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. - KJV (the angel is the adversary)

2 Samuel 19:22:And David said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah, that ye should this day be adversaries unto me? shall there any man be put to death this day in Israel? for do not I know that I am this day king over Israel? - KJV

Psalm 109:6 states:Appoint someone evil to oppose my enemy;
let an accuser stand at his right hand. - NIV

YET

the KJV Psalm 109:6 states:Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

The only other time ''Satan'' is mentioned in the OT is in Zechariah.

Satan in the OT has not done much - for a fallen angel,who has a literal seedline on this earth?

There is even no ''Devil'' in the OT,only in the plural ''devils''

Isaiah 45:7 :I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - KJV

''evil'' in strong's for that verse is:7451 ra` rah from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):-- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).

God creates,forms,people...

How did a fallen angel managed to come into the picture and produce his own race?

Why didn't God stop him?

Why did God allow this?

Regarding 1 Corinthians 14:33

Who built the tower in Genesis 11?

MAN - not a fallen angel!

Babel is 894 Babel baw-bel' from 1101; confusion; Babel (i.e. Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire:--Babel, Babylon.

Man is the one who creates confusion!!!!!




2Co 11:3; "I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled [G1818] Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

Don't quote that verse without reading verse 4:For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. - NIV

ANOTHER TEACHING,ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!!!

If that verse proves Eve was seduced then we better warn all women to watch out for satan who might seduce her and have sex with her!!

That is about someone preaching another teaching!! - i.e false prophet...

Which is exactly what Satan did to Eve, preached another gospel!

Genesis 3:4:And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: - KJV

That is what the serpent told Eve,that she would not die after she said in

Genesis 3:3:But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. -KJV

Eve said if she did eat she would die, the serpent said she would not - Another teaching!!!!

Gen 3:3; "Of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch [H5060] it, lest ye die."



Note that "touch" in Strong’s means “to lie with a woman.”

yes,if that is so then in Genesis 2:16-17:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - KJV

Adam and Eve would or could have eaten with ANY tree in Eden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Eat is the same in Genesis 2 and 3.

Touch - 5060 naga` naw-gah' a primitive root; properly, to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by implication, to reach (figuratively, to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.):--beat, (X be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.

If satan seduced Eve,you would also be poisoned or a better term is tainted --

if you say ''he lay'' with Eve,you would have some of that serpent poison in you,from Eve who lay with a fallen angel.


In Deuteronomy 1:39:Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. - KJV

Were they to young to have sex????

Evil is 7451 in Strong's,the same as in Genesis....

Simply hop up two verses and see who it’s addressing; “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” (Ezekiel 28:13-14).

Yes, Tyre (the false "rock" Satan) was both in Eden and a cherub. Tyre comes from the prime root "adversary" which is Satan's name.

Eden! - read Ezekiel 27:23:Haran, and Canneh, and Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Asshur, and Chilmad, were thy merchants.

2 Kings 19:11 - 12:Surely you have heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all the countries, destroying them completely. And will you be delivered? 12 Did the gods of the nations

that were destroyed by my predecessors deliver them—the gods of Gozan, Harran, Rezeph and the people of Eden who were in Tel Assar? - NIV

What's this? ''the people of Eden ''

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth

Men can be ''anointed''

Isaiah 45:1:Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; - KJV

Ezekiel 28 does not prove Satan was in the garden of Eden.
Tyrus in Ezekiel is 6865 Tsor tsore or Tsowr {tsore}; the same as 6864; a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine:--Tyre, Tyrus.
In the KJV it is ''Tyrus''

Ezekiel 28:1-2: 1The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

2Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: - KJV

This was against Tyre not Satan.In the NIV is has a heading ''A Prophecy Against the King of Tyre''

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08-17-2011, 08:30 PM
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Solomon
08-18-2011, 09:45 PM
The first time Satan is mentioned in the OT is 1 Chronicles 21:1,and it reads:
Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. - NIV

Satan in that verse is 7854 and could be ''adversary''

According to Strong’s 7854 is defined as “An opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.”

Again we see that there’s no confusion as to who this is – “especially Satan, the arch enemy of good.”

This pronoun (or proper name) doesn’t allude to anybody but Lucifer, yet sometimes men can be lowercase "satans" or gods.


2 Samuel 24:1:Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.” - NIV

Compare the verses of Samuel and 1 Chronicles -Do we have a contradiction?

Not at all.

As Yahweh has no place in evil (like in the verses I’ve provided) He sends Satan to do the dirty work, just like in the book of Job. That’s his purpose and why he’s considered “the son of perdition” in scripture – he’s the only one sentenced to perish in the Bible. God controls everything and all things are a credit to His handywork, even Satan.


The next time Satan is mentioned is in Job.

Job 2:3:Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.” - NIV

Who did it? Satan or God? notice how it says '' though you incited me against him ''
Satan is mentioned 11 times in Job.

Indeed. Job (the oldest book in cannon) confirms that Satan was a "son of God" (1:6) just like those angels that fell in Genesis 6. Later Yahweh confirms that these same sons of god (being angels) predate mankind;


Job 38:4-7; "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"


Why would Satan go with the sons of god to meet God??????(Job 1:6) - NIV

Satan is a son of God just as Michael and Gabriel are. Notice that all three angels appear in both the old and new testaments? These would be extremely old men to achieve this.


Luke 20:36; "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."


Numbers 22:22:And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. - KJV (the angel is the adversary)

Yes, the angel that withstood Balaam was clearly Satan, the arch enemy of good. Notice that Yahweh Himself was considered a "satan" to Balaam much like He is to the jews? It really depends on what side of the fence we stand on - angel to some, demon to others.

Yahweh is truly omnipotent (Rev 19:6).


There is even no ''Devil'' in the OT,only in the plural ''devils''

True. Devils is defined as “shaggy; as noun, a he goat; by analogy a faun: - devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.”

Here’s the first use of the word; “They shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations” (Lev 17:7).

This passage certainly confirms that some of our forefathers bowed to devils (which were idols) proving there are other false “gods” out there – Satan and his offspring to name a few.


How did a fallen angel managed to come into the picture and produce his own race?

God set Satan's bloodline - or family "tree" - there in the beginning in the form of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil." It was Yahweh's Will to give man free will and the choice between (the tree of) Life and death. Note that Death is another name for Satan (Rev 6:8).


If that verse proves Eve was seduced then we better warn all women to watch out for satan who might seduce her and have sex with her!!

Indeed. Christ says “As the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage [to angels], until the day that Noe entered into the ark” (Mat 24:37-38).

The stars fall and this practice will come again at the end of this age – we’d best warn our women to be on guard. Race-trading is only a precursor to what’s to come!


if you say ''he lay'' with Eve,you would have some of that serpent poison in you,from Eve who lay with a fallen angel.

Indeed – this is known as the original sin. We’re all born into sin because of it:


Rom 5:12; "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

God didn't err in creation thus only Satan's meddling could make Cain the murderer he was.


Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth

Men can be ''anointed''

Yes, but only angels can be cherubs. :wink:


Exo 25:20; "The cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings."

malachi83
08-19-2011, 06:52 PM
Not at all.

As Yahweh has no place in evil (like in the verses I’ve provided) He sends Satan to do the dirty work, just like in the book of Job. That’s his purpose and why he’s considered “the son of perdition” in scripture – he’s the only one sentenced to perish in the Bible. God controls everything and all things are a credit to His handywork, even Satan.

1 Chronicles - - Satan is 7854,in that passage God is an adversary to Israel,Satan didn't stand up against Israel.
2 Samuel 24:1:Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” - NASB
Notice ''the anger of the LORD '' - - It was not Satan.

Indeed. Job (the oldest book in cannon) confirms that Satan was a "son of God" (1:6) just like those angels that fell in Genesis 6. Later Yahweh confirms that these same sons of god (being angels) predate mankind;

God did those things, the only thing Satan did was give Job boils and of course have his name mentioned in the Book of Job.
Otherwise he did NOTHING in the book of Job.

Job 2:7: Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. - NASB
Not much for a fallen angel...

Of all the things to do to a man he gives him boils! When a man can give another man boils?
Again Satan is 7854 and could be ''adversary''

Satan is a son of God just as Michael and Gabriel are. Notice that all three angels appear in both the old and new testaments? These would be extremely old men to achieve this.

Satan is NOT an angel----he is a FALLEN angel, so how could he be a ''son of God''?
If he was a Son of God he wouldn't be Satan!!!!!

Wouldn’t he have lost the title ‘’son of god’’ as because he is now a fallen angel!!

The sons of God could be men for example, CHAP. XX. The Second Book of Adam and Eve



Yes, the angel that withstood Balaam was clearly Satan, the arch enemy of good. Notice that Yahweh Himself was considered a "satan" to Balaam much like He is to the jews? It really depends on what side of the fence we stand on - angel to some, demon to others.

Yahweh is truly omnipotent (Rev 19:6).

Numbers 22:6: Now, therefore, please come, curse this people for me since they are too [a]mighty for me; perhaps I may be able to defeat them and drive them out of the land. For I know that he whom you bless is blessed, and he whom you curse is cursed.” – NASB



Balaam was going to curse Israel so why would Satan stand in his way?




Numbers 22:31-35: Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way with his drawn sword in his hand; and he bowed [a]all the way to the ground. 32 The angel of the LORD said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary, because your way was [b]contrary to me. 33 But the donkey saw me and turned aside from me these three times. If she had not turned aside from me, I would surely have killed you just now, and let her live.” 34 Balaam said to the angel of the LORD, “I have sinned, for I did not know that you were standing in the way against me. Now then, if it is displeasing to you, I will turn back.” 35 But the angel of the LORD said to Balaam, “Go with the men, but you shall speak only the word which I [c]tell you.” So Balaam went along with the leaders of Balak. – NASB








[B]True. Devils is defined as “shaggy; as noun, a he goat; by analogy a faun: - devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.”

Here’s the first use of the word; “They shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations” (Lev 17:7).

This passage certainly confirms that some of our forefathers bowed to devils (which were idols) proving there are other false “gods” out there – Satan and his offspring to name a few.

false “gods” that is what you said and then you write ‘’ Satan and his offspring to name a few.’’
So are you saying Satan is a god????


God set Satan's bloodline - or family "tree" - there in the beginning in the form of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil." It was Yahweh's Will to give man free will and the choice between (the tree of) Life and death. Note that Death is another name for Satan (Rev 6:8).

But you keep forgetting that Eve could have eaten with ‘’any’’tree in the Garden of Eden.

If she could eat with Satan then she could eat with a non-white.

The only thing is she wasn’t allowed to eat with Satan yet she was allowed to eat with non-white as eat is the same in Genesis 2 as Genesis 3.
Are we to say Eve was allowed to be a race mixer? That is if the serpent seed doctrine holds 100%

Genesis 2:16: The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; - NASB

Peoples and races…

Ezekiel 31:16-18: 16I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

17They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

18To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD. - KJV

Do you have answers to this??

What about Deuteronomy 1:39, were the children too young to have sex???

Was Satan not around to have sex with them???

Indeed. Christ says “As the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage [to angels], until the day that Noe entered into the ark” (Mat 24:37-38).

The stars fall and this practice will come again at the end of this age – we’d best warn our women to be on guard. Race-trading is only a precursor to what’s to come!

You’re talking about race mixing I’m talking about shouldn’t we warn women to beware of Satan roaming around trying to have sex with them?

Indeed – this is known as the original sin. We’re all born into sin because of it:

Rom 5:12; "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."



God didn't err in creation thus only Satan's meddling could make Cain the murderer he was.

That would make you part serpent seed if you are tainted.

The eating of the tree could have been disobedience to the law of God.

That would explain Deuteronomy 1:39.The Children had not been taught the law.

Deuteronomy 4:5: “See, I have taught you statutes and judgments just as the LORD my God commanded me, that you should do thus in the land where you are entering to possess it. – NASB

Hebrews 5:14: But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. – NASB

Romans 7:9-12: I was once alive apart [a]from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved [c]to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. – NASB

Galatians 3:21-22: Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness [a]would indeed have been [b]based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up [c]everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. – NASB

the tree of life=Jesus (Revelation 22)

Tree of knowledge of good and evil are both separate. They are not the same.

Genesis 2:9: Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. – NASB

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was ‘’grown’’ it is not Satan!

We could say the tree of knowledge of good and evil originated with God as it was planted!

Judaism, the Talmud is anti-Christ yet they teach the seduction!!!!
In 2 Corinthians 11 the serpent there is 3789. ophis of'-is probably from 3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake, figuratively, (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan:--serpent.

A man can do to himself what Satan did to Eve.

2 Timothy 3:13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. – KJV

James 1:26: If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. – KJV

James 1:22: But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. – KJV
Deceiveth in the Greek is 538. apatao ap-at-ah'-o of uncertain derivation; to cheat, i.e. delude:--deceive.

Deuteronomy 30:15: See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; - KJV

EATING GOD’S LAW
Ezekiel 3:1-3: 1Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.

2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.

3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. – KJV

Revelation 10:9: And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. – KJV

NACHASH
Genesis 49:17: Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. – KJV

5175 nachash naw-khawsh' from 5172; a snake (from its hiss):--serpent.
Dan could fulfill what a serpent ‘’ nachash’’ does…

Exodus 4:3: And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. – KJV

Moses’s rod was a nachash.

Numbers 21:6: And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. – KJV

Nachash again,as snakes.

Nachash is used In Genesis 3,remember the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the serpent are separate from each other, the tree been planted.

How in Genesis 3 could Nachash be a fallen angel/Satan yet in other passages it is a literal snake????

[B]Yes, but only angels can be cherubs.

Exo 25:20; "The cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings."

7854 satan saw-tawn' from 7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good:--adversary, Satan, withstand.

Look at adversary

Numbers 22:22 –look who Satan is there!

1 Samuel 29:4 –who is Satan there?

1 Kings 5:4 – Who is Satan there?

1 Kings 11:23 - - Who was the Satan there?

1 Kings 11:25 –Another Satan…

Adversaries

2 Samuel 19:22 - -Who was Satan/s there?
7853 satan saw-tan' a primitive root; to attack, (figuratively) accuse:--(be an) adversary, resist.

Psalm 109:4, Psalm 109:29, Psalm 109:20, Psalm 71:13, Psalm 38:20

Are these Satans men or a fallen angel???

1 John 3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. – KJV
That would mean that everyone on earth is a child of the devil….

2 Timothy 3:3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, - KJV

1228. diabolos dee-ab'-ol-os from 1225; a traducer; specially, Satan (compare 7854):--false accuser, devil, slanderer.

Men would be devils.(mortal man)

2 Timothy 3:6: For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, - KJV

Exile
09-04-2011, 04:00 PM
Hello Malachi83'

I believe the answers you are looking for can be found in a research paper called "The Mystery of Satan and the Devil". The author of this article was murdered along with his wife and family several years ago. Clifton A. Emahiser a friend of mine did a revision back in 1999. You can get a copy here: http://www.israelect.com/childrenofYahweh/Emahiser/the_mystery.htm. I recommend that you study this article in full detail and do some research on your own in order to get the full impact so that you might reach a conclusion. Also "What Happened to Cain?" by Bertrand Comparet http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Inter-41.htm would also be a good starter. Other books of interest that I have in my library; "Sargon the Magnificent" by Mrs Sydney Bristow, "Gods, Demons and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia" (An illustrated dictionary) Jeremy Black and Anthony Greed, "Idioms in the Bible Explained" George M. Lamsa, and my favorite "Ancient Records and the Structure of Genesis" P.J. Wiseman. Always remember "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is the truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." 1 John 2:27. Pray always for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. I have found that there are two trains of thought, One being the word of YHWH and the other Mythology; over the centuries there are those who have brought the two together and created lies.

Exile

malachi83
09-05-2011, 07:16 PM
MORNING STAR

Revelation 22:16:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. - KJV

Numbers 24:17:I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth. - KJV

Zechariah 6:12:And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: - KJV

2 Peter 1:19:We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: - KJV

Revelation 2:28:28And I will give him the morning star. - KJV

The morning star is Jesus.

Isaiah 14:12:How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! - KJV

lucifer 1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

In the margin of a KJV bible I have it says '' O day star'' a number next to ''O Lucifer, son of the morning!''

note in 2 Peter 1:19 where it says ''day star ''

Isaiah 14:4:That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

proverb 4912 mashal maw-shawl' apparently from 4910 in some original sense of superiority in mental action; properly, a pithy maxim, usually of metaphorical nature; hence, a simile (as an adage, poem, discourse):--byword, like, parable, proverb.

This was a taunt,sarcasm against the King of Babylon.

From what I have gathered Lucifer is a latin word,so what is a latin word doing in the Bible?

The King of Babylong is a man NOT a fallen angel.

The King of Babylon wants to set himself above God.(Isaiah 14:13-14)

How can the morning star or day star be lucifer,a fallen angel?

When Isaiah 14 is a taunt against the king of Babylon(a man),and lucifer a latin word is only mentioned once yet it means ''the morning-star'' and the morning star is Jesus???

CPM's Gospel of LUKE
09-28-2011, 04:57 AM
What World Famous Men Said About the Kenites - Full film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKogb7pglZo)

More @ The Christian Identity Forum... (http://www.thechristianidentityforum.net/smf/media-central/what-world-famous-men-said-about-the-kenites/msg3354/#msg3354)

Archivist
06-23-2012, 08:23 PM
Jesus Christ warned about the children of the Devil in His “parable of the tares and wheat” so Pastor Visser analyzes the actions of the Children of Belial [2008] from the pages of the Old Testament. By doing so, other Christians are able to recognize Satan's literal and spiritual offspring by their own worthless "fruits." This sermon also includes uplifting Christian Identity music by Break The Sword.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jqsYnGR440

coven40 | 2012

Solomon
08-06-2012, 03:55 PM
Now where did old malachi83 venture off to?

I've been inching to debate the reality of Satan.

Pastor Bill
08-08-2012, 02:38 PM
Now where did old malachi83 venture off to?

I've been inching to debate the reality of Satan.

I haven't heard from him for awhile.

Archivist
09-20-2012, 12:48 PM
No Greater Joy [2012] covers both the second and third epistles of John ( in their entirety ) to establish what an "antichrist" truly is. By studying these two letters to the churches Christians are better able to spot the deceivers that work against the genuine teachings of Christ as transcribed in His Word. This energetic sermon exposes the devil's iniquitous seed and begins to answer the question "What is faith?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E17Igj7YWbY

coven76 (http://archive.org/download/coven76/coven76.wmv) | 2012

Red Ryder
10-31-2012, 10:30 AM
Satan is very literal and those who teach he's man's "flesh" serve their father of lies (John 8:44).

Solomon
11-05-2012, 11:02 AM
Satan is very literal and those who teach he's man's "flesh" serve their father of lies (John 8:44).

I'd agree with you on this one.

Some folks can't see the forest for the trees.

Red Ryder
12-15-2012, 09:27 AM
The jewish "no-devil" doctrine?

I doubt it gets more "universalist" than what most the world believes!

Solomon
12-30-2012, 01:42 AM
The jewish "no-devil" doctrine?

I doubt it gets more "universalist" than what most the world believes!

For our wrestling is not only, not chiefly, against flesh and blood - Weak men, or fleshly appetites. But against principalities, against powers - The mighty princes of all the infernal legions. And great is their power, and that likewise of those legions whom they command. Against the rulers of the world - Perhaps these principalities and powers remain mostly in the citadel of their kingdom of darkness. But there are other evil spirits who range abroad, to whom the provinces of the world are committed.

Of the darkness - This is chiefly spiritual darkness.

Of this age - Which prevails during the present state of things. Against wicked spirits - Who continually oppose faith, love, holiness, either by force or fraud; and labour to infuse unbelief, pride, idolatry malice, envy, anger, hatred. In heavenly places - Which were once their abode, and which they still aspire to, as far as they are permitted.

Archivist
09-20-2013, 08:59 PM
Trees and Stars In The Garden of Yahweh ( Original Version ) [2005] finds CPM's Pastor Visser shedding light on the creation account with major focus on the fallen angel Satan-el and how he arrived in the garden of Eden to beguile ( meaning "seduce" ) Eve. The added music of Georgia's own ALL SHE HAD makes this a brief Christian Identity Bible study you'll listen to several times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Raj2WeePOfc

coven199 (http://archive.org/download/coven199/coven199.wmv) | 2013

Unermüdlich
07-22-2014, 12:43 AM
There was a song written, some years ago now, by a Christian artist by the name of Keith Green. The song was written about the devil himself - Satan, Lucifer. The song went a bit like this, speaking as if Lucifer was speaking, it goes:

"My job keeps getting easier, as time keeps slipping away.
I can imitate the brightest light, and make the night look just like day.
I put some truth in every lie to tickle itching ears,
You know I'm drawing people just like flies, because they like what they hear.

I'm gaining power by the hour, they're falling by the score.
You know it's getting very simple now, since no one believes in me anymore.
I used to have to sneak around, but now they just open their doors.
You know no one's watching for my tricks, since no one believes in me anymore."

ArchType
07-22-2014, 05:08 PM
There was a song written, some years ago now, by a Christian artist by the name of Keith Green. The song was written about the devil himself - Satan, Lucifer. The song went a bit like this, speaking as if Lucifer was speaking, it goes:

"My job keeps getting easier, as time keeps slipping away.
I can imitate the brightest light, and make the night look just like day.
I put some truth in every lie to tickle itching ears,
You know I'm drawing people just like flies, because they like what they hear.

I'm gaining power by the hour, they're falling by the score.
You know it's getting very simple now, since no one believes in me anymore.
I used to have to sneak around, but now they just open their doors.
You know no one's watching for my tricks, since no one believes in me anymore."

A whole lot of meaning in those words!!

Joe
03-01-2016, 02:09 AM
A broadcast to consider is Who is Satan the enemy of the white race? (http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-131462/TS-984500.mp3) by brother Howard.

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