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    A Woman's Role

    Women Preachers
    According to the Holy Scriptures women are not allowed to preach sermons or teach in the official gatherings of the church.
    I quote a few Bible texts to support this increasingly unpopular but, nevertheless, inspired directive.

    1 Corinthians 14: 24: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
    36: What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
    37: If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
    38: But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

    Many believers will challenge this stand. It was challenged in Paul's day.
    The Apostle anticipated a rejection of this teaching.
    verse 36 What came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? He then goes on to say that believers who profess to have the Spirit of God should recognise and acknowledge that what he is writing is in fact the commandment of the Lord!
    verse 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Conclusion Paul's conclusion is that believers who ignore the fact that this is a commandment of God, will remain in ignorance and be ignored themselves. One can hardly imagine a more tragic outcome than to wilfully remain ignorant and be disregarded by the Almighty God. verse 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. When writing to Timothy we find the Apostle saying virtually the same thing.

    1 Timothy 2: 11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    13: For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    14: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful MEN, who shall be able to teach others also.

    Old & New Testament Examples
    No one will doubt but that only men officiated as priests in the Temple services ordained of Almighty God. Had Yeshua the Messiah intended the New Testament church to function differently he would have made that fact known by appointing at least a few women apostles. But he didn't. He chose twelve men who, later, when selecting seven deacons also chose men instead of women for those duties. These facts have a message for the church today. Heed it.

    This does not mean that women are inferior to men; or that they have no place in the work of Yahweh.
    The Holy Scriptures provide several examples of women prophets:

    Miriam the sister of Moses. (Exodus 15:20)

    Deborah. (Judges 4-5)

    Huldah the wife of Shallum. (2 Kings 22:14)

    The four daughters of Philip the evangelist. (Acts 21:8-9)

    These women obviously used the gift of prophecy to benefit the church; and their prophetic messages were listened to by all who cared to hear the Word of God spoken through them.
    But they did not preach nor teach in the temple or in the official Sabbath assemblies. Their prophetic messages were delivered outside the official church gatherings.
    That is the point Paul is making in 1 Corinthians 14:34 where he plainly states that women are not allowed to teach or preach in the churches. "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
    Bear in mind that Corinth was a city in Greece where democracy was born.
    But even there the Greeks had to be taught Yahweh's levels of authority, of which our misguided generation is so ignorant.

    The fact is:
    by divine command and innumerabe examples in the Scriptures, men are given more authority than women inside the Temple services and church assemblies. Men will also be held more responsible for the errors they make inside the churches. The 'church' incidentally is not a man-made building. The 'church' is the congregation that meets in a building, be it of bricks and mortar or wood. This does not mean that men are more intelligent or able than women. They are not. We all know some folks in authority, men or women, are not always more able than those under them. Nor does it mean that women are more able than men. That also is not the case. What it does mean is that Yahweh has given the men in His church the authority and task of preaching and teaching His Word.
    He has not given this authority to women, however qualified they may consider themselves to be.
    I repeat: it is a matter of divine authority; not personal preference, sincerity, enthusiasm, democratic expediency, intelligence or ability.
    It is a matter of divine authority!
    Consequently the Holy Spirit will work more effectively through His authorised channels (the men) than through even the most dedicated or educated of women. Also bear in mind that we are here dealing with Yahweh's commandments, not with the fickle fashions of a wayward and deceived generation.

    Things "Unmarried" Women can do in the Church:
    Help in Church offices (Filing / Word-processing / Database & e-mail management)
    Help teach the very young children
    Providing musical accompaniment at Sabbath and social meetings. (Piano, guitar, violin, banjo, mandolin, flute and trumpet etc.)
    Doing special items (choir items, testimonies, poems etc.)
    Help at Feasts: laying tables, flower arrangements etc.
    Help their mothers in their own homes.

    Things "Married" Women can do in the Church:
    Teaching the young children on the Sabbath
    Teaching younger women how to bring up their families
    Providing music in church services (choir, keyboard, piano, violin etc.)
    Senior secretarial work in the UCOY office.
    Reading incoming mail and despatching literature: setting aside letters for personal answers. These letters are answered by the elders (men).
    Organising the catering arrangements at all the Feasts.
    Keeping Church Accounts.
    Voluntary Welfare Work / Dorcas / Community Care / Helping the aged, the young, the lonely, widows, orphans, the sick.


    Should Women wear Makeup and/ or Jewelry?:
    The Bible doesn't say much about makeup; so I hesitate to pontificate on the subject.
    We are, however, told in
    Leviticus 19: 28: Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    Of course this doesn't expressly deal with the matter of makeup; but it does point to the heathen practice of printing marks on the body, cutting or tattooing (Pagan) marks in it; a practice which is now very fashionable. Some fans at sporting events now paint their faces and bodies in part or whole almost as a way of entertainment and nobody seems to connect this painting craze with the Bible command which forbids believers from marking their faces or bodies in any way.

    We read in the book of Kings that the evil queen Jezebel painted her face and tired her hair in an attempt to impress the conquering Jehu who had just killed her son Joram king of Israel in battle.
    2 Kings 9:22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?…
    30: And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window.

    In view of these things my personal opinion is that true believers should not paint their faces in a vain attempt to look better than they really are. I can understand a very pale faced woman using a little colouring in order to look healthier; but that is a far cry from what one sees nowadays where, even in Christian churches, women paint their faces and nails and look more like modern versions of Jezebel than the children of God preparing to meet the Saviour. In short, scent, powder, a little makeup, hairstyles, jewellery, expensive clothes etc., may be in order; but there is a fine separating line in all of these things which Christian women and their husbands must decide for themselves.

    The wearing of jewellery (rings, precious stones, bracelets, armbands, broaches etc.) is not a sin.
    If you study all the texts in the Scriptures on this matter you will see that Yahweh's people (the Israelites) wore jewellery.
    Abraham's servant's presented jewellery to Rebekah. (Gen.24:22,53) The High Priest wore jewelled garments. Kings wore rings and the Prodigal Son's father put a ring on his son's hand when he came home (Luke 15:22). Moreover, Yahweh Himself is going to make up his jewels. Malachi 3: 16: Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
    17: And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
    If you study the following passages you will see clearly that the wearing of jewellery is not a sin. (Exodus 11:2, 12:35, Isa.61:10, Eze.16:17-19).
    Did not Yahweh Himself clothe Israel his wife with jewellery and fine clothes?
    Nevertheless, the wearing of jewellery becomes sin when believers put their gems and fine clothes first before faith, holiness, humility and good works. Then the jewellery has become a snare, an idol - a sin. This means that women may wear jewellery if they please: it is not a sin, so long as it doesn't distort their appearance and become an over-riding obsession.
    Then, like every other excess, it can become a snare - a sin.
    In 1 Timothy 2:9 Paul is warning about putting fine clothes, elaborate hairstyles and expensive jewellery before good deeds, submissiveness and godliness. It is all a question of priorities. As I said above, if a believer, male or female, gets these things out of order, (in other words if the most important things are put last) then he/she is missing the point and has made a idol of a perfectly acceptable thing. Bodily cleanliness, good clothes, well groomed hair etc. all have their proper place; but they should always come second to godliness, humility and good deeds.

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    Paul says not to allow women to ursurp authority over men!

    Be on guard against certain female-led "CI shows" out there.

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    I always get a niggling feeling in my spirit when I hear a woman preach. I don't believe the Bible makes a case for female preachers.

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    Men are the only ones to preach.
    Women can do other things also, but men are the preachers.

    I think it's like you said Solomon Paul says not to allow women to ursurp authority over men!


    1 Timothy 2:11-15: 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

    12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

    14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

    15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - KJV

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    LOL @ "Women Preachers!"

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    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:27-28)

    And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet (Strong’s #H5828 ezer) for him. (Genesis 2:18)

    O Israel, trust thou in the LORD: he is their help (Strong’s #H5828 ezer) and their shield. (Psalm 115:9)

    It’s such a blessing that Yahweh created women in His own image and called women to do the work He does—to be a helper, just like He is!

    And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever. (John 14:16)

    I pray that more Israelite men would be able to afford to have their help meet managing their homes and aiding and assisting them in their businesses and ministries like the Proverbs 31 woman, instead of working for someone else.

    Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. (3 John 1:2)

    Has anyone here been able to find a second or third witness anywhere in the Law, the Prophets, the Doctrines of Jesus, or the Epistles, to establish Paul’s doctrine about women being quiet in the church and not teaching?

    …At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. (Deuteronomy 19:15)

    …In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (Matthew 18:16)

    …In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (2 Corinthians 13:1)

    Moreover the LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Mahershalalhashbaz. And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah. (Isaiah 8:1-2)

    And I will give power unto my two witnesses…. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Revelation 11:3-4)
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    Quote Originally Posted by malachi83 View Post
    ...No one will doubt but that only men officiated as priests in the Temple services ordained of Almighty God. Had Yeshua the Messiah intended the New Testament church to function differently he would have made that fact known by appointing at least a few women apostles. But he didn't.

    ...This does not mean that women are inferior to men; or that they have no place in the work of Yahweh. The Holy Scriptures provide several examples of women prophets:

    Miriam the sister of Moses. (Exodus 15:20)

    Deborah. (Judges 4-5)

    Huldah the wife of Shallum. (2 Kings 22:14)

    The four daughters of Philip the evangelist. (Acts 21:8-9)

    These women obviously used the gift of prophecy to benefit the church; and their prophetic messages were listened to by all who cared to hear the Word of God spoken through them....
    Anna is another good example of a female prophet using her gift to benefit Israel. She was always in the temple. She prophesied. She gave thanks aloud. She talked about Jesus and proclaimed the good news to all those who came to the temple (where she always was) and were looking for redemption.

    And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. (Luke 2:36-38)

    The Lord gives the command; the women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host. (Psalm 68:11)

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    One of the best books that I have about the role of women in the Bible is a book call “All of the Women of the Bible” by Edith Deen, Copyright 1955.

    Quote; “You can almost trace light and darkness in the Bible by women themselves.”

    This book is a plus if your doing any biblical research about women in the Bible. There are 316 concise biographies which are contained in this volume, including 52 searching studies of women in the foreground, more than 125 shorter descriptions of named women and more than 125 descriptions of the nameless women in the background.

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    While we're on the subject, what's your opinion of "porn-star turned pastor" Melissa Scott?

    http://www.pastormelissascott.com/

    She sure had Dr. Gene hoodwinked!
    Gna!

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