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Covenant People’s Forums - New Testament http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/ Your focus should be here, where Jesus Christ is. This area contains threads and debates relating to NEW TESTAMENT scripture. If you have a Bible question, this is most likely the place you’ll get your answer! Feel free to post questions of your own or answer them. en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:34:00 GMT vBulletin 60 http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/images/misc/rss.png Covenant People’s Forums - New Testament http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/ Lake of Fire - Bible Question http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1884-Lake-of-Fire-Bible-Question&goto=newpost Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:59:22 GMT I have a Bible Question..
Dr Swift says this about the lake of fire that it is translated into 'Cloud of Glory'...'Shekinah Glory'
Where in Strong's Concordance can I find the definition for this???
Do you know what the reading in Strong's is for this?

Someone said:..it tells me in My Bible that there is a Lake of Fire. That is what I have been telling you, so get your Bible and go back to your concordance, and you will find something which will surprise you. Look it up, and you will find that the translation..Lake of Fire, is 'Cloud of Glory'...'Shekinah Glory'..the essence of the Light wave length and vibrations of God's own Holy Nature.

This is taken from - THE KINGDOM AND THE LAKE OF FIRE....BY: DR. WESLEY SWIFT
http://www.israelect.com/reference/W...s/61-04-00.htm ]]> New Testament malachi83 http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1884-Lake-of-Fire-Bible-Question Who are the sheep? http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1868-Who-are-the-sheep&goto=newpost Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:44:51 GMT Obviously the jews are not by these verses, Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt?... Obviously the jews are not by these verses,

Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

The jews hate us because we have eternal life abiding in us.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ]]> New Testament Daniel Krider http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1868-Who-are-the-sheep William Finck Versus the Paul Bashers http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1836-William-Finck-Versus-the-Paul-Bashers&goto=newpost Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:25:24 GMT This is an exhaustive rebuttal to the heretical claims of Paul bashers, written by Bill Finck, who draws upon many authoritative sources, including... This is an exhaustive rebuttal to the heretical claims of Paul bashers, written by Bill Finck, who draws upon many authoritative sources, including classic texts and the writings of Clifton Emahiser. If you have any doubts about the scriptural validity of Paul's epistles, or parts thereof, this will eliminate them.

DOWNLOAD ]]> New Testament Obadiah 1:18 http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1836-William-Finck-Versus-the-Paul-Bashers The Controversial Paul http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1822-The-Controversial-Paul&goto=newpost Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:48:28 GMT ---Quote (Originally by Obadiah 1:18)--- Paul may have been a pharisee in name but not in deed, and that is a crucial difference. Before his...

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Paul may have been a pharisee in name but not in deed, and that is a crucial difference. Before his conversion, he was persecuting Christians, but after his conversion, he was persecuted as a Christian. Further, He was called to be a Christian by the audible voice of Christ Himself, and following his conversion to Christianity was accepted into the fold by no less a man than Barnabas, who presented him to the disciples and explained to them how confidently and courageously Paul had been been preaching in the name of Jesus.

In one version of Paul’s conversion stories, his companions heard a voice from heaven speak to him: The men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. (Acts 9:7) The audible voice from heaven that spoke to Saul did not declare scripture but rather quoted a Greek expression "to kick against pricks" (found in the play, Bacchae, by Euripides, 405 BC) and told him to go into the city to find out what to do.

In another version of the story, however, none of his companions even heard a voice: Those who were with me indeed saw the light and were afraid, but they did not hear the voice of Him who spoke to me. (Acts 22:9)

In a third version of the story, there is no mention of anyone hearing a voice but Saul. This time the voice announces a ministry commission to him, which begins: “But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee….” (Acts 26:16) According to this version, his ministry is to include telling people about this vision and about future visions and revelations he will have. Again, there is no mention of anyone else hearing this audible voice and ministry commission.

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Paul couldn't have made it plainer that the directives he gave in his epistles were God's commandments.

Paul’s own testimony that he was speaking on behalf of God is not verification that Yahweh gave him the authority to establish church directives. Paul, by his own testimony, was not always writing under the inspiration of the Spirit of God, did not always tell the truth, and changed as needed to accommodate the opinions of men. Paul was not infallible.

Paul made the following statements about himself:

What I am saying, I am not saying as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting. (2 Corinthians 11:17)

Nevertheless, crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit. (2 Corinthians 12:16)

But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner? (Romans 3:7)

I have become all things to all men…. I also please all men in all things…. (1 Corinthians 9:22, 10:33)

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Paul was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Paul’s own witness that he was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost is not proof that he was. The evidence is in whether his writings agree with or contradict the Law, the Psalms, the Prophets, or the sayings, doctrines, actions, and commandments of Jesus Christ. Some of his writings certainly line up, but some do not. Evidently, sometimes he wrote under the influence of the Spirit of God, and sometimes he did not.

On the other hand, Jesus, who definitely was authorized by Yahweh to establish church doctrine, upheld what was spoken in the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. The scriptures, the audible voice of Yahweh, His finished work on the cross, His resurrection, and His ascension all bear witness of Him. He is, in fact, infallible.

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me (John the Baptist); and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. …But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. …Search the scriptures; …they are they which testify of me. …I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:31-37)

And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove. Then a voice came from heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Mark 1:10-11)

Jesus said, “Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.” Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him. Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake.” (John 12:28-30)

For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. (2 Peter 1:17-18)

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Does that also go for people who reject the doctrine of Christ that was given through Paul?

There is no legitimate church doctrine given by Jesus Christ through Paul. Disciples of Jesus have only been authorized to preach in agreement with the finished work of Jesus Christ. Paul was not authorized to institute doctrine for Yahweh’s people, as Jesus was. There are no prophecies in scripture telling of anyone to come after Jesus authorized to establish church structure, leadership hierarchy, ecclesiastical rules, spiritual guidelines, or religious statutes. There was no sanction given to anyone following Jesus to add to, edit, or repeal the commandments, sayings, and doctrines of Jesus.

I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them…. (John 17:4, 8)

Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On judgment day many will tell me, “Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.” But I will reply, “I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized.” (Matthew 7:21-23)

The scriptures give no authorization for anyone adding to or taking away from the doctrines of Jesus. Rather, Jesus left His disciples clear instructions on what to preach. None of them were given permission to establish new doctrines, rules, or guidelines. They were only authorized to preach in agreement with the Law, the Prophets, the Psalms, and the teachings of Jesus, who fulfilled all that was written of Him to fulfill.

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (Luke 24:44)

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you….” (Matthew 28:18-20)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16:15-20)

If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 14:15, 21, 15:10) ]]> New Testament DunaMiss http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1822-The-Controversial-Paul ISLAM http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1812-ISLAM&goto=newpost Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:45:24 GMT In referring to Ishmael’s descendents: “And he will be a wild man, and every man’s hand against him; …” (Genesis 16: 12). Every man’s hand will... In referring to Ishmael’s descendents: “And he will be a wild man, and every man’s hand against him; …” (Genesis 16: 12).

Every man’s hand will be against him, not because he is an Arab, but because he is a radical that is bent on destroying each nation’s religious institutions. They were trained and supplied advisers by the Communists from Russia. They were supplied military equipment at first by the Russians, because both have the same objective – world government.

International Communism is the Red Horse of the Apocalypse in Revelation 6. They started taking peace from the earth through “wars of liberation” and killed from one-third to one-half of the population of each subjugated country. Communism was financed by rich western Jewish International Bakers and Industrialists. It is the “seen” enemy of the Western World of Christianity (260 million murdered so far and counting).

Now we see a new “front” come onto the scene. It is called radical Islam. Green is the official color of Islam. A shade of green is on all the Arab flags. Notice an incredible scripture from the TRUE source of spiritual knowledge – the Bible!

“And when he had opened the fourth seal, … And I looked, and behold a PALE HORSE, and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell [the grave] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to KILL with sword [war], and with hunger [by uprooting populations], and with death, and with the beasts (Negroes) of the earth” (Revelation 6: 7-8).

PALE is number 5515-5514 in the Greek Section of the Strong’s Concordance, and it means greenish, green. That is exactly the official color of Islam.

The Red Horse being Jewish International RED Communism. The fourth or Pale [greenish] Horse is GREEN Islam. Since the ancient prophecy said they would be “wild men,” the Pale Horse fits that description perfectly – making war in one-fourth of the earth.

The White Horse being the Anti-Christ Jewish false peace made with Christianity known to us today as Judeo-Christianity and the Black Horse being the Jewish World Banking systems.

The first four Seals [Horses] are Satan’s plan to bring the world to the brink of a one-world-government. Jewish communism and Islam persecute the Christians that are in the countries they control. Once more, the prophecies of the TRUE God are true, accurate, and prove He exists and inspired them to be written.

We can have absolute trust YHWH written word concerning protection and sealing (Revelation 7: 1-4; Revelation 12: 13-16; Revelation 3: 10, and others). God bless you!!!

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